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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:50:17 -0500
From: Fernando Nasser <fnasser@redhat.com>
Organization: Red Hat Canada
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To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
CC: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>, pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: RFD: schemas and different kinds of Postgres objects
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Tom Lane wrote:
> 
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> > Remember that a schema is a named representation of ownership, so anything
> > that can be owned must be in a schema.  (Unless you want to invent a
> > parallel universe for a different kind of ownership, which would be
> > incredibly confusing.)
> 
> I don't buy that premise.  It's true that SQL92 equates ownership of a
> schema with ownership of the objects therein, but AFAICS we have no hope
> of being forward-compatible with existing database setups (wherein there
> can be multiple tables of different ownership all in a single namespace)
> if we don't allow varying ownership within a schema.  I think we can
> arrange things so that we are upward compatible with both SQL92 and
> the old way.  Haven't worked out details yet though.
> 

Peter is right.  Schemas is just a practical way of creating things
under
the same authorization-id + crating a namespace so that different
authorization-ids can have objects with the same (unqualified name).

Quoting Date (pg. 221): "The schema authID for a given schema identifies
the owner of that schema (and hence the owner of everything described by
that schema also)."

It is very important that we reach a conclusion on this as it simplifies
things a lot.

Regards,
Fernando


P.S.: That is why I was telling you that, except for the namespace part,
we already have the groundwork for Entry-level SQL-Schemas (where the 
schema is always the authorization-id of the creator) -- it is just
a question of handling the "owner" appropriately.


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