Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by developer.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFA42E0030 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:33:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from developer.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21855-04 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:33:12 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by developer.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D812E007A for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:33:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from pse.dyndns.org (p548F208D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.143.32.141]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1K4gkR3ACL-00048p; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:33:12 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by pse.dyndns.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1K4gkQ-0003P8-OM; Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:33:10 +0200 Message-ID: <484982E9.5@pse-consulting.de> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:33:13 +0200 From: Andreas Pflug User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory Stark CC: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Overhauling GUCS References: <29525.1212613052@sss.pgh.pa.us> <48472E47.7030701@dunslane.net> <20080605162400.GF16502@alvh.no-ip.org> <48481CBF.6040602@enterprisedb.com> <48481E3A.4010306@hagander.net> <20080605174209.GL16502@alvh.no-ip.org> <20080605212129.GI14498@yugib.highrise.ca> <3F927D52-A0FD-4575-8D24-F0F70C459235@kineticode.com> <4848FAA6.8000903@pse-consulting.de> <87ej7aeuqx.fsf@oxford.xeocode.com> <4849137C.3040008@pse-consulting.de> <877id2erp6.fsf@oxford.xeocode.com> <48492356.4040506@pse-consulting.de> <873anqeix0.fsf@oxford.xeocode.com> In-Reply-To: <873anqeix0.fsf@oxford.xeocode.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/x3vfdNxk37ShNuTpNKGm2Vob8rURSY6Gag3K LVf6TpRLGYkOwEQcjU+6PDdlafIKyltf9P3KbZ96IJv87fZbOD j4EI5MMktL6LHyuy3DV1A== X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200806/307 X-Sequence-Number: 119420 Gregory Stark wrote: > >> Text config files are NOT friendly for beginner and mediocre users. IMHO the >> current restriction on GUC changes is a major obstacle towards pgsql tuning >> tools, e.g. written as a Google SoC project. Graphic tools aren't too popular >> at pgsql-hackers, but please contemplate a little how much pgadmin may have >> contributed to the pgsql usage boost, esp. on windows. >> > > Like it or not computers actually have to store state when you're done > entering it via the GUI. If you design around the GUI you end up with system > that can *only* be used via a GUI and spend years trying to work around that > (witness Windows which is only now with a lot of effort recovering from that > mistake). > I never advocated a file format that isn't editable any more; au contraire. And the statement that a GUI configuration contradicts manual editing is plain wrong, even with most windows software (if written nicely to the registry, you could dump the key, edit and reload it, or use regedit). OTOH, you can't make most windows users happy with a text file version only. Regards, Andreas