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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:20:55 -0400
From: Jay Levitt <jay.levitt@gmail.com>
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To: Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
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Subject: Re: Bug tracker tool we need
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Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 23:48, Jay Levitt<jay.levitt@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> - Familiarity: Many developers already have a GitHub account and use it
> Most of the more senior developers don't use github. Other than
> possibly as a place to store a plain git repository. So that's not
> really relevant.

I meant outside developers - the folks you'd like to see more involved in 
the process.

>> - Patch commenting and git integration encourage actual review-resubmit
>> cycles instead of "Here, look, I fixed it for you" reviews
>
> The amount of spam coming through that system, and the
> inability/unwillingness of github to even care about it is a killer
> argument *against* github.
>
> We have working antispam for email. The github antispam is somewhere
> around where email antispam was in 1994.

Interesting; I haven't run into this but you're the second person to mention 
it here.  Antispam is (in the large) a technically unsolvable problem; even 
in the '90s, we'd see hackers start poking at our newest countermeasures 
within the hour.  GitHub is a giant target, and PG probably benefits here 
from NOT being one. (A quick Google shows redmine and especially Trac having 
spam issues of their own.)

Pedantic note/fun fact: There was no email antispam in 1994; Canter & Siegel 
posted their infamous USENET Green Card spam that year, but it didn't really 
spread to email for another year or two. Once it did, there were fervent 
debates about whether it should be called "velveeta" to distinguish from the 
USENET variety.

>> GitHub could well be a non-starter, but if third-party-dependence is really
>> the holdup, I'd volunteer to write the tools - in fact, a google of [export
>> issues from github] shows a few that might already suffice.
>
> It *is* a non-starter, because (a) it's a third party dependency, and
> (b) AFAIK they don't provide *data access* to the issue trackers.

Sure they do:

http://developer.github.com/v3/issues/

Jay