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The document itself is not very good (I mean, why >> use XML-lookalike to represent a commit message, which is regular >> English prose??); and I don't feel it represents actual consensus. > > I agree I am not a fan of the XML, but Joe Conway introduced it and I > didn't object. I am by no means married to it -- feel free to improve it however everyone prefers. >> > A larger issue is that since we now have links to the commits in the >> > release notes, there might no longer be a need to list _any_ names next >> > to the release note items. >> >> I don't understand your motivation for saying things like these. > > Uh, I am asking if something is still useful due to recent changes and > can be removed as useless. I don't think it is useless and I do think it would be a loss in several ways to the community. But I also recognize that it takes a great deal of effort to do, so I understand why it is worth asking the question. -- Joe Conway PostgreSQL Contributors Team Amazon Web Services: https://aws.amazon.com