Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YyhTg-0000wV-IT for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 30 May 2015 14:11:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YyhTf-00054u-8b for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 30 May 2015 14:11:07 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YyhTc-00054L-DH; Sat, 30 May 2015 14:11:04 +0000 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com ([69.168.55.30]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YyhTT-0007EX-D8; Sat, 30 May 2015 14:11:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (spinlock.commandprompt.com [69.168.55.30]) by lists.commandprompt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 493C63B1; Sat, 30 May 2015 07:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([67.168.169.165] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by assp.commandprompt.com with ESMTPS(AES128-SHA) (2.1.1); 30 May 2015 07:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <5569C4FD.9090504@commandprompt.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 07:11:09 -0700 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Momjian , Tom Lane CC: Robert Haas , Andres Freund , Stephen Frost , Magnus Hagander , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" , pgsql-core Subject: Re: [CORE] postpone next week's release References: <20150529195609.GD16602@momjian.us> <20150529195751.GN26667@tamriel.snowman.net> <27697.1432929660@sss.pgh.pa.us> <28477.1432931820@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20150529223321.GB6535@alap3.anarazel.de> <12510.1432958887@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20150530125653.GH16602@momjian.us> <20150530131140.GA25882@momjian.us> In-Reply-To: <20150530131140.GA25882@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Assp-Version: 2.1.1(11364) on assp.commandprompt.com X-Assp-Client-SSL: yes X-Assp-ID: assp.commandprompt.com m1-95052-13608 X-Assp-Envelope-From: jd@commandprompt.com X-Assp-Intended-For: pgsql-core@postgresql.org X-Assp-Original-Subject: Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] postpone next week's release X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org On 05/30/2015 06:11 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> 2017? Really? Is there any need for that hyperbole? >> >> Frankly, based on how I feel now, I would have no problem doing 9.5 in >> 2016 and saying we have a lot of retooling to do. We could say we have >> gotten too far out ahead of ourselves and we need to regroup and >> restructure the code. > > Actually, barrelling ahead to get releases out is how we got into this > mess in the first place. I would vote we put the 9.5 release on hold > while we do an honest assessment of where we are. In hindsight, we > should have known to do this even before 9.4 was released. > It seems that we all are forgetting one of the fundamental concepts of open source development: Q. When will release X be? A. When it is done. A delay because of quality concerns shows the integrity of the project. Sincerely, JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. - http://www.commandprompt.com/ 503-667-4564 PostgreSQL Centered full stack support, consulting and development. Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you. -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers