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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 10:02:40 -0700
From: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
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To: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>, Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin@geoff.dj>
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Subject: Re: [CORE] Restore-reliability mode
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On 06/06/2015 07:33 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin@geoff.dj> wrote:
>> To play devil's advocate for a moment, is there anyone who would genuinely
>> be prepared to download and install an alpha release who would not already
>> have downloaded one of the nightlies? I only ask because I assume that
>> releasing
>> an alpha is not zero-developer-cost and I don't believe
>> that
>>   there's a large
>> number of people who would be happy to install something that's described as
>> being buggy and subject to change but are put off by having to type
>> "configure" and "make".

Yes, me and everyone like me in feature set.

Compiling takes time, time that does not need to be spent. If I can push 
an alpha into a container and start testing, I will do so. If I have to:

git pull; configure --prefix; make -j8 install

Then I will likely move on to other things because my time (nor is any 
other's on this list) is not free.

If you add into this a test harness that I can execute from the alpha 
release (or another package) that allows me to instant report via 
buildfarm or just email a tarball to -hackers that is even better.

I know that I am not taking everything into account here but remember 
that most of our users are not -hackers. They are practitioners and a 
lot of them would love to help but just can't because a lot of the 
infrastructure has never been built and -hackers think like -hackers.


Sincerely,

JD


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