Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b7oKK-0000aO-2g for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:23:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b7oKJ-0008F9-HB for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:23:39 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b7oIy-0006hp-9f for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:16 +0000 Received: from zmcc-5-mx.zmailcloud.com ([192.198.93.228]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b7oIr-0003Pi-3k for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:15 +0000 Received: from zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com (127.37.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com [104.197.37.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zmcc-5-mx.zmailcloud.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFCD0520259; Tue, 31 May 2016 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7697AC2053; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id UshJhvT3XCLN; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EBDC1D6D; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com Received: from zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id YEEO85xqJ7QJ; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (c-98-246-109-153.hsd1.or.comcast.net [98.246.109.153]) by zmcc-5-mta-1.zmailcloud.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04313C1E12; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Rename max_parallel_degree? To: Peter Eisentraut , Peter Geoghegan References: <20160426152217.GA548975@alvherre.pgsql> <574DC585.7010507@agliodbs.com> <574DC881.5010006@agliodbs.com> <574DCDFC.6060506@agliodbs.com> <574DD1CE.2000307@agliodbs.com> Cc: Tom Lane , Robert Haas , Noah Misch , David Rowley , Amit Kapila , Alvaro Herrera , Magnus Hagander , Bruce Momjian , PostgreSQL-development From: Josh berkus Message-ID: <574DD64A.9090600@agliodbs.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 11:22:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org On 05/31/2016 11:17 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 5/31/16 2:02 PM, Josh berkus wrote: >> I get where you're coming from, but I think Haas's query plan output is >> going to show us the confusion we're going to get. So we need to either >> change the parameter, the explain output, or brace ourselves for endless >> repeated questions. > > Changing the explain output doesn't sound so bad to me. > > The users' problem is that the parameter setting ought to match the > EXPLAIN output. > > The developers' problem is that the EXPLAIN output actually corresponds > to leader + (N-1) workers internally. > > I think we can hope that developers are going to be less confused about > that than users. Makes sense. One more consistency question: what's the effect of running out of max_parallel_workers? That is, say max_parallel_workers is set to 10, and 8 are already allocated. If I ask for max_parallel_X = 4, how many cores to I use? Presumably the leader isn't counted towards max_parallel_workers? -- -- Josh Berkus Red Hat OSAS (any opinions are my own) -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers