Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs8i-00055j-3H for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:10:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs8h-0006mq-L3 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:10:11 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs78-0001MC-3Q for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:08:34 +0000 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dKs75-00034r-5L for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 20:08:32 +0000 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA5B2092A; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:08:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=V2LcxqnZaA0NyylH8fW/9/CriefLOA4MdUPeBfVuezc=; b=b9c7BVfh lBq2lxzAzGXcv2eZrUaxE7XN/Vc+6b9j7jnd84lsDGeFT3Gmr7vgDkTQFFTZZsEd rp7bV1EIQUKOQDpKz/pWT0NA/RWbqF0wixtJbuMGZu9xjeB1wDsH/LPcDT8BTOVi BZ0KFRNuLYX01vUsgJcJsylBwBx1M4a+3PKD6VDoMfpMvxoSrMq4yTW3BZxoAVVu pzNaNC8kO5FoC+x/NneMV39H+kmT/pG/3JFXbPqh0PTt0sI2T57KhHDHZNn4AnrH 5ULWaiu3YTBDP33GS2c0ZImLurrAR7DWBeNh9Bhj4lgELNiKk+cEx3FQ/ORZ+SUq zsP2qXeUveG/PA== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: vhnd/reTF5Y7f6jp+5p+LUggyBU4IF5dcKWIlZYrKila 1497384510 Received: from april.local (c-73-13-66-39.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [73.13.66.39]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2FBAA24767; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: WIP: Data at rest encryption To: Bruce Momjian , Stephen Frost References: <20170613164442.GD13873@momjian.us> <20170613170132.GH3151@tamriel.snowman.net> <20170613171356.GG13873@momjian.us> <20170613172459.GL3151@tamriel.snowman.net> <20170613174329.GK13873@momjian.us> <20170613182339.GP3151@tamriel.snowman.net> <20170613182910.GN13873@momjian.us> <20170613183858.GR3151@tamriel.snowman.net> <20170613185622.GO13873@momjian.us> <20170613192011.GS3151@tamriel.snowman.net> <20170613195150.GS13873@momjian.us> Cc: Ants Aasma , Robert Haas , PostgreSQL-development From: Peter Eisentraut Organization: 2ndQuadrant Message-ID: <5bebfabb-e02d-0172-aafa-99fcaadf7782@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:08:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170613195150.GS13873@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-hackers Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org On 6/13/17 15:51, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Isn't the leakage controlled by OS permissions, so is it really leakage, > i.e., if you can see the leakage, you probably have bypassed the OS > permissions and see the key and data anyway. One scenario (among many) is when you're done with the disk. If the content was fully encrypted, then you can just throw it into the trash or have your provider dispose of it or reuse it. If not, then, depending on policy, you will have to physically obtain it and burn it. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers