Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYhU-0008DG-7i for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:03:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYhT-00034Q-4O for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:03:19 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYhS-00034J-U4 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:03:18 +0000 Received: from [64.147.123.31] (helo=wforward2-smtp.messagingengine.com) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRYhM-00021V-5d for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:03:18 +0000 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailforward.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5489D742; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:02:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=CSRQKyp499tQ1suIBos9MdeGi3SjAJTtfmYMbYGEH 5s=; b=0LKBMUr1xlKgO4OUqI+PO8A3iN8vwxLb/xXsnkg4+2KC27hWvPqYhmrVb 2aPvWzLTu/DdCcLvvIgNCU/1LwmUcMQrl+xSEVi2KDGl40URYbkPt5RO95j9KS1J dcQhOz51Fvane8MD8pDkKnaQD3Tgz5o5AaG1WwFEehR8xu3DpHEfG19F+UolXyoc DwyFfjJYvQ0eUwIEc3o2WM3y10RUUZc++BorBQBoQYrTm3IHmwc63f4g/zcm8S2v TXpPygum2prsCMFT5nEtLcNn8zVwAju8DyXxbM0U+XKoz/+U2YrELY5OFlppvRde rqrwedM9rcqo8zVDqMdQfMm6pYSwA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrgeelgddvfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefuvfhfhfhokffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheprfgvthgv rhcugfhishgvnhhtrhgruhhtuceophgvthgvrhdrvghishgvnhhtrhgruhhtsedvnhguqh hurggurhgrnhhtrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepvdhnughquhgrughrrghnthdrtgho mhenucfkphepleefrddvgeefrdeirddvgedunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenuc frrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgvthgvrhdrvghishgvnhhtrhgruhhtsedvnhgu qhhurggurhgrnhhtrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: from april.pezone.net (p5df306f1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.243.6.241]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CF6623280069; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 06:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Poll: are people okay with function/operator table redesign? To: Tom Lane References: <20200416230304.GA28390@alvherre.pgsql> <17560.1587083109@sss.pgh.pa.us> <26009.1587302581@sss.pgh.pa.us> Cc: Alvaro Herrera , Robert Haas , Steven Pousty , Pavel Stehule , Isaac Morland , Pierre Giraud , PostgreSQL Developers From: Peter Eisentraut Organization: 2ndQuadrant Message-ID: <6f47d8c5-318c-9e94-de37-57f56370625f@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:02:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26009.1587302581@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 64.147.123.31 (deferred) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2020-04-19 15:23, Tom Lane wrote: > If somebody's got an idea how to obtain this painfully-agreed-to > visual appearance from more robust markup, I'm all ears. This > stuff is a bit outside my skill set, so I don't claim to have > found the best possible implementation. I've played with this a bit, and there are certainly a lot of interesting things that you can do with CSS nowadays that would preserve some semblance of semantic markup on both the DocBook side and the HTML side. We haven't even considered what this new markup would do to non-visual consumers. But my conclusion is that this new direction is bad and the old way was much better. My vote is to keep what we had in PG12. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services