Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1icdbJ-0002fR-DP for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:58:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1icdbI-0008VI-6o for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:58:28 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1icdbH-0008V5-QW for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:58:27 +0000 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1icdbF-0005Cr-C9 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:58:26 +0000 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DAA227CC; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:58:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=UFocIr7ZQvJW+0zCuuZe0uY51eb9LBZ3ENlLVElnL 4w=; b=Ob0wsnFAMsPxdfidwA3/x1EnYYVPTeKsilfNdyXRelwQ3qLhvTJFR2YzC qnmbalwDsmk1daBJCFPpSHH1s7GECFlyd33Jl7Hx11h/TixekYkNhPBFRcBcJpEp Q1i1r7t0pRPubpy+Y8I33yqZoWLgQrvS4eS3b0DthuGW09i13v0VARdvSSiFxeZd JuTdL3o1O6i4oTj5xFreTnfCwpITv3zMUVfhfaCKPK7SuYF05APVmdwfgQyDqYB4 ZsFDD+JIvrOYHKJQSWUg2ZCKssA+SKYL1f6owCAoHYrTdY8WTwrJ2AMlVz6Cx45Z F7wmktKYunxOmnPoFVR1U3ADzdb0w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudektddgtdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhohfkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefrvght vghrucfgihhsvghnthhrrghuthcuoehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvghnthhrrghuthesvdhnug hquhgrughrrghnthdrtghomheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpedvnhguqhhurggurhgrnhhtrdgt ohhmnecukfhppeelfedrvdegvddrudegjedrjeelnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhroh hmpehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvghnthhrrghuthesvdhnughquhgrughrrghnthdrtghomhen ucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from april.pezone.net (p5df2934f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.242.147.79]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0ABC630600EA; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:58:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Update minimum SSL version To: Tom Lane References: <224FD25C-BA10-44FA-95AA-F97C35FB3BB0@yesql.se> <20191129125727.GN2505@paquier.xyz> <13786.1575041447@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20191130024345.GD99291@paquier.xyz> <22675.1575083214@sss.pgh.pa.us> <7e217273-b550-96e5-f36f-a818ac4b5d9b@2ndquadrant.com> <29853.1575299606@sss.pgh.pa.us> Cc: Michael Paquier , Magnus Hagander , Daniel Gustafsson , pgsql-hackers From: Peter Eisentraut Organization: 2ndQuadrant Message-ID: <98c51f43-e746-714a-940c-271773f77d4c@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:58:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29853.1575299606@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2019-12-02 16:13, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut writes: >> On 2019-11-30 04:06, Tom Lane wrote: >>> I think the real question we have to answer is this: are we intent on >>> making people upgrade ancient openssl installations? > >> The trade-off is that this makes the defaults better for the vast >> majority of users and gives users of really old systems a nudge that >> they are no longer in compliance with industry best practices. You need >> manual steps to set up SSL anyway, so this doesn't introduce an entirely >> new kind of requirement for the latter group of users. > > True. I'm okay with this as long as we adapt the ssl test suite as > per your other reply. I have committed this with that change. The discussion on which OpenSSL versions to support and how will continue. -- Peter Eisentraut http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services