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From: Scott Ribe <[email protected]>
To: Thomas Simpson <[email protected]>
Cc: Pgsql-admin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: filesystem full during vacuum - space recovery issues
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 20:59:23 -0600
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1) Add new disk, use a new tablespace to move some big tables to it, to get back up and running
2) Replica server provisioned sufficiently for the db, pg_basebackup to it
3) Get streaming replication working
4) Switch over to new server

In other words, if you don't want terrible downtime, you need yet another server fully provisioned to be able to run your db.

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Scott Ribe
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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Ron Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Multi-threaded writing to the same giant text file won't work too well, when all the data for one table needs to be together.
> 
> Just temporarily add another disk for backups.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 4:55 PM Thomas Simpson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 18-Jul-2024 16:32, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:01 PM Thomas Simpson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> [BTW, v9.6 which I know is old but this server is stuck there]
>> [snip] 
>> I know I'm stuck with the slow rebuild at this point.  However, I doubt I am the only person in the world that needs to dump and reload a large database.  My thought is this is a weak point for PostgreSQL so it makes sense to consider ways to improve the dump reload process, especially as it's the last-resort upgrade path recommended in the upgrade guide and the general fail-safe route to get out of trouble.
>>  No database does fast single-threaded backups.
> Agreed.  My thought is that is should be possible for a 'new dumpall' to be multi-threaded.
> Something like :
> * Set number of threads on 'source' (perhaps by querying a listening destination for how many threads it is prepared to accept via a control port)
> * Select each database in turn
> * Organize the tables which do not have references themselves
> * Send each table separately in each thread (or queue them until a thread is available)  ('Stage 1')
> * Rendezvous stage 1 completion (pause sending, wait until feedback from destination confirming all completed) so we have a known consistent state that is safe to proceed to subsequent tables
> * Work through tables that do refer to the previously sent in the same way (since the tables they reference exist and have their data) ('Stage 2')
> * Repeat progressively until all tables are done ('Stage 3', 4 etc. as necessary)
> The current dumpall is essentially doing this table organization currently [minus stage checkpoints/multi-thread] otherwise the dump/load would not work.  It may even be doing a lot of this for 'directory' mode?  The change here is organizing n threads to process them concurrently where possible and coordinating the pipes so they only send data which can be accepted.
> The destination would need to have a multi-thread listen and co-ordinate with the sender on some control channel so feed back completion of each stage.
> Something like a destination host and control channel port to establish the pipes and create additional netcat pipes on incremental ports above the control port for each thread used.
> Dumpall seems like it could be a reasonable start point since it is already doing the complicated bits of serializing the dump data so it can be consistently loaded.
> Probably not really an admin question at this point, more a feature enhancement.
> Is there anything fundamentally wrong that someone with more intimate knowledge of dumpall could point out?
> Thanks
> Tom
> 

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