Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vlmNx-003pbD-1D for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:09:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vlmNu-004OUe-0n for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:09:55 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vlmNt-004OUG-2V for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:09:54 +0000 Received: from forwardcorp1b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.136]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1vlmNq-0009Mr-0G for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 11:09:53 +0000 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-corp-main-34.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-corp-main-34.sas.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c24:fa2:0:640:41ee:0]) by forwardcorp1b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPS id BD061808DB; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:09:46 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [2a02:6bf:8080:6d::1:16]) by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-corp-main-34.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (smtpcorp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id i9iSKs5A7uQ0-KQPVi4dI; Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:09:46 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex-team.ru; s=default; t=1769771386; bh=u1Xc4AAUvm5epyS91z/qsi0n/NUeUfJ7Ga7Hzo/ufgE=; h=Message-Id:To:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=TGnYtHORJApcPN16W4BBMjcFHzfYeaFPEnXVxD71ayFavadryHvsvMPDZM96/dPCW k2gE9lMjWa2F7A93rGC9glW7QZ+FCSg529nv24LCR8y4KMpw6yG5f+F+osXyoGAfjH +/PAr7dL5S5XfhBvnwhD07XrjWvTdq3TLw2bIgIo= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-corp-main-34.sas.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex-team.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.300.41.1.7\)) Subject: Re: eliminate xl_heap_visible to reduce WAL (and eventually set VM on-access) From: Andrey Borodin In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 16:09:34 +0500 Cc: Melanie Plageman , Alexander Lakhin , Andres Freund , Chao Li , Xuneng Zhou , Robert Haas , PostgreSQL Hackers , Heikki Linnakangas Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6BC5DBAB-6084-4BB8-8450-52E9648AB021@gmail.com> <7F5BCD7A-764D-4D8D-8E27-6F2CAAEA1CEE@gmail.com> <4379FDA3-9446-4E2C-9C15-32EFE8D4F31B@yandex-team.ru> <7ib3sa55sapwjlaz4sijbiq7iezna27kjvvvar4dpgkmadml6t@gfpkkwmdnepx> <2b09fba6-6b71-497a-96ef-a6947fcc39f6@gmail.com> To: Kirill Reshke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Well, converting to TAP seems feasible to me. This will make test more = stable. > On 30 Jan 2026, at 14:59, Kirill Reshke = wrote: >=20 > I use 'autovacuum-worker-start' injection point to 'disable' > autovacuum until test is done If you just set autovacuum off - the test will be executed on bf animals = that has no injection points. Also x4mmm@x4mmm-osx postgres % git am = ~/Downloads/v1-0001-Reimplement-regression-tests-from-21796c267-as-TA.patc= h=20 Applying: Reimplement regression tests from 21796c267 as TAP-test. .git/rebase-apply/patch:148: trailing whitespace. # Check that vacuum phase I does not need to modify the heap buffer. = warning: 1 line adds whitespace errors. There are some typos: "flakky", "introduces", "actuvity", "actaully", = "hilding". Test descriptions are off: you used 'page_header returned as expected' = when it's actually about pg_visibility_map_summary. And, of course, total lack of comments is not good. However, in principle approach seems good to me. (FWIW I'm looking into patches 0003-0005 of v33, I'll post when I'll = find some nits) Best regards, Andrey Borodin.=