Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1plvPq-0000zd-JQ for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:34:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1plvPn-00069b-Ry for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1plvPn-00069S-H3 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1plvPl-00021T-1C; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:34:50 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id o1so7287607lfc.2; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681148086; x=1683740086; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=tEt/CZkhZ3WlM0QuFsQkb79GLKttMn0lbQs6ei6ayPk=; b=pKFdr492IU/nPj5tAYu0dN8iIgo38iRUEvJqtVXX7cEN6nEtwENsqK+ZYQ0TvEnVgW Fc8SiSl4rGnV8Gq3S39Kah6nWS84w3LLe3QopnTdBZQcDNk7km7lNuZDyn5vQDorSjSC H2oYUaKODW+jBpm6tcrvuEjnwhxhBzVaTqSpTXnbpAuTlE2ThfKZzFXtXOLwRzfL+AiG c3SZJoPJVeERHSvveviAMeAIGkvuYFqDV5FfFItBA/Nfqz9fK5Kr1bMYYLi8sClmkUeE UMPlfXV9TLT6/aDsJd/b6PJWkD/hyE26GCrsnNKZTNBv3AsiLcBqyvadl8jX2UdvSRW6 mYng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681148086; x=1683740086; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tEt/CZkhZ3WlM0QuFsQkb79GLKttMn0lbQs6ei6ayPk=; b=shpjVhu1qwWuyBvVGtOCF4mhkpoT9OgJzP01JIO5GkwhtBxram95U4Otywy5kqPtRg /zGwpT9/0mpB6UcLvyOSCwFAigklVC5cWraFz+B9x5NLkrbCpfVcg1fKQyxmeTheE2rO Sj45wV1CzprYDycWYat6l6hkqmNy4PiVuUQWQdT0qM1//JPZbWKzme9MtYGDptAFnk8K OZuL1lEnvrIPSHjOOa7+uT3C/RTfy1k635rgoSaH7YPJ7GREVFKdYquKWBPqj05vxMPM qQzBIjJFX2F2mKxF/of/1BleF+vKexqSpA6CqBPaLiA+CGJsUdgaOcMLF9FlBy5+/eTT aU+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cik909w81i8ylabRu1udjQ7l6z1OxLDgWrcIjVEsR0Ms4Z3pbj Zxgvkoa0KvrlJqnFZKef2Cbh25ZzJdsxPIkR6M0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bqpBMnFF1yjro06laVcmHgSp5A2xbur/DK6KkwtWqjdUxCuQQ1P2iDiOBHzp2i3iDgmU1L6L2oYdCVEvkws/U= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5510:0:b0:4e8:dcb2:b2ea with SMTP id j16-20020ac25510000000b004e8dcb2b2eamr3256105lfk.8.1681148086442; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230408191007.7lysd42euafwl74f@awork3.anarazel.de> <3611416.1680982220@sss.pgh.pa.us> <4179373.1681145767@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <4179373.1681145767@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Robert Haas Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:34:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: When to drop src/tools/msvc support To: Tom Lane Cc: Andres Freund , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Peter Geoghegan , Andrew Dunstan , "Jonathan S. Katz" , Amit Kapila , Alvaro Herrera Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Tom Lane wrote= : > Robert Haas writes: > > However, if this is the direction we're going, we probably need to > > give pgsql-packagers a heads up ASAP, because anybody who is still > > relying on the MSVC system to build Windows binaries is presumably > > going to need some time to adjust. If we rip out the build system > > somebody is using a couple of weeks before beta, that might make it > > difficult for that person to get the beta out promptly. And I think > > there's probably more than just EDB who would be in that situation. > > Oh ... that's a good point. Is there anyone besides EDB shipping > MSVC-built executables? Would it even be practical to switch to > meson with a month-or-so notice? Seems kind of tight, and it's > not like the packagers volunteered to make this switch. I can't really speak to those questions with confidence. Perhaps instead of telling pgsql-packagers what we're doing, we could instead ask them if it would work for them if we did XYZ. Then we could use that information to inform our decision-making. --=20 Robert Haas EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com