MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <9290b55b6ae2b04e002ca9dadadd1cca09461482.camel@cybertec.at>
 <20220805.114916.994654810780821553.horikyota.ntt@gmail.com>
 <CALj2ACWPMYoPSC3t-9uW+0gqDUcJf1mLww6hHzo2V2AvE-Tu+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <20220809.161236.1486509314201074910.horikyota.ntt@gmail.com>
 <CALj2ACXmMWtpmuT-=v8F+Lk4QCbdkeN+yHKXeRGKFfjG96YbKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALj2ACUO6oz-43ryqfMOVZ_Q-N10C5tkzKku12+QV02NnXsDrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <YzYh3NpCQAFkA6lF@momjian.us>
 <CAAhFRxjFGSk-hVTjnpFwm1XBUcHL8Obugt=P+ixV5AD9H+Kkrw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAAhFRxjFGSk-hVTjnpFwm1XBUcHL8Obugt=P+ixV5AD9H+Kkrw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Andrey Borodin <amborodin86@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 11:26:50 -0800
Message-ID: 
 <CAAhFRxgcBy-UCvyJ1ZZ1UKf4Owrx4J2X1F4tN_FD=fh5wZgdkw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: An attempt to avoid
 locally-committed-but-not-replicated-to-standby-transactions
 in synchronous replication
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Cc: Bharath Rupireddy <bharath.rupireddyforpostgres@gmail.com>,
	Kyotaro Horiguchi <horikyota.ntt@gmail.com>,
 Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>,
	PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>,
	SATYANARAYANA NARLAPURAM <satyanarlapuram@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: 
 <https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAAhFRxgcBy-UCvyJ1ZZ1UKf4Owrx4J2X1F4tN_FD%3Dfh5wZgdkw%40mail.gmail.com>
Precedence: bulk

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:06 PM Andrey Borodin <amborodin86@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 3:53 PM Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> >
> > So, what happens when an insufficient number of synchronous replicas
> > reply?
>
> It's a failover.
>
> > Sessions hang because the synchronous behavior cannot be
> > guaranteed.  We then _allow_ query cancel so the user or administrator
> > can get out of the hung sessions and perhaps modify
> > synchronous_standby_names.
>
> Administrators should not modify synchronous_standby_names.
> Administrator must shoot this not in the head.
>

Some funny stuff. If a user tries to cancel a non-replicated transaction
Azure Postgres will answer: "user requested cancel while waiting for
synchronous replication ack. The COMMIT record has already flushed to
WAL locally and might not have been replicatead to the standby. We
must wait here."
AWS RDS will answer: "ignoring request to cancel wait for synchronous
replication"
Yandex Managed Postgres will answer: "canceling wait for synchronous
replication due requested, but cancelation is not allowed. The
transaction has already committed locally and might not have been
replicated to the standby. We must wait here."

So, for many services providing Postgres as a service it's only a
matter of wording.

Best regards, Andrey Borodin.