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From: Matthias van de Meent <boekewurm+postgres@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 10:27:09 +0200
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Subject: Re: RFC: adding pytest as a supported test framework
To: Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com>, Jelte Fennema-Nio <postgres@jeltef.nl>
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Hi Greg, Jelte,

On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 at 23:53, Greg Sabino Mullane <htamfids@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Jelte Fennema-Nio <postgres@jelt=
ef.nl>
wrote:
>>
>> Afaict, there's a significant part of our current community who feel the
same way (and I'm pretty sure every sub-30 year old person who
>> newly joins the community would feel the exact same way too).

I feel I'm still relatively new (started in the past 4 years) and I have
quite some time left before I hit 30 years of age.

I don't specifically feel the way you describe, nor do I think I've ever
really felt like that in the previous nearly 4 years of hacking. Then
again, I'm not interested in testing frameworks, so I don't feel much at
all about which test frameworks we use.

> Those young-uns are also the same group who hold their nose when coding
in C, and are always clamoring for rewriting Postgres in Rust.

Could you point me to one occasion I have 'always' clamored for this, or
any of "those young-uns" in the community? I may not be a huge fan of C,
but rewriting PostgreSQL in [other language] is not on the list of things
I'm clamoring for. I may have given off-hand mentions that [other language]
would've helped in certain cases, sure, but I'd hardly call that clamoring.

Kind regards,

Matthias van de Meent

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Greg, Jelte,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 at 23:53, Greg Sabino Mullane &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:htamfids@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hta=
mfids@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Jelte Fennema-Nio &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:postgres@jeltef.nl" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">postgre=
s@jeltef.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Afaict, there&#39;s a significant part of our current community wh=
o feel the same way (and I&#39;m pretty sure every sub-30 year old person w=
ho<br>
&gt;&gt; newly joins the community would feel the exact same way too).<br>
<br>I feel I&#39;m still relatively new (started in the past 4 years) and I=
 have quite some time left before I hit 30 years of age.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t specifically feel the way you =
describe, nor do I think I&#39;ve ever really felt like that in the previou=
s nearly 4 years of hacking. Then again, I&#39;m not interested in testing =
frameworks, so I don&#39;t feel much at all about which test frameworks we =
use.<br>
<br>
&gt; Those young-uns are also the same group who hold their nose when codin=
g in C, and are always clamoring for rewriting Postgres in Rust.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">
Could you point me to one occasion I have &#39;always&#39; clamored for thi=
s, or any of &quot;those young-uns&quot; in the community? I may not be a h=
uge fan of C, but rewriting PostgreSQL in [other language] is not on the li=
st of things I&#39;m clamoring for. I may have given off-hand mentions that=
 [other language] would&#39;ve helped in certain cases, sure, but I&#39;d h=
ardly call that clamoring.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>Kind regar=
ds,</div><div><br></div><div>Matthias van de Meent<br></div>
</div>

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