Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sIbKm-00Gl8Y-NN for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:53:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sIbKj-00Ha9i-Ot for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sIbKj-00Ha9Z-Ck for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:53:14 +0000 Received: from mail-lf1-x12e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12e]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sIbKh-001Uxd-LB for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 21:53:12 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52ca342d6f3so2737243e87.2 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1718488389; x=1719093189; darn=postgresql.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qPpicoSHJ0fTWir3QICPJfAbrFBQEM17KqkTKP649qY=; b=d6hao8/m3t9JWlZNbaUctIfDDKh4W/FJ/tctpH1Xb6+5IzSChIGzekUfe26OCbujEU F5Ukwd3oECztODy17vlfAPvQMXHft7XCFhfyrQePdU+CQP5BDcXDJY3Ig3+LJkzRzVtB pbRr2Ipw6DoBcQQ0akB+4p2yU6fT41prwRucLUCgAJPs1mgE7TZVo7BaG4ci8kJqQg0B 8OMxHH8JJrQ3EinLvhH468aVBUR4uELY8BtJ2p+gmwNWN32uEhlKf7McdqLy4nxW7sMm muNAxqpRzi1uFHB572yrCqIxee3VkuspL7B7Qc9eCYUfZhAaIX7qJ14jqPl1C6ePV8xU mBQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718488389; x=1719093189; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=qPpicoSHJ0fTWir3QICPJfAbrFBQEM17KqkTKP649qY=; b=SPKjIChanfTdUthXlM8/iMKi2nsC3bTIgATX06gz+v/UH7zvbrXUMAl3/DGN6pEY0E BHTJV+vKGfIp+aX/5R2HGiDCcqG61/MhcaaW+zbev0ysJrqrtDFPnMizXA80FA22C74K HO+HgGVznM+znjkXomWCEdIsBlvEhg6pnRQ0hjsJRMGf1xQqjLp3NUnE4qVMKVw1gHqg 916CWAEBg0BuiV1AdObA05hURJ1yok+YjOffciYcFwJSlOgj9uh39vi9PiESpgFP/sjG IC+gs42U/wvvjEbSjqD54M02CYl4++twoczL5P/8x/mc51L5BnHBS7LmdchkLTbj3HxV rMqQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXA0nO77A5MQHXWOQRlN6W4CAmOzzk0SpKm21J8WBVOozsT/JLR7vTFp6eaQBARJ6ma/su5URima62ehSEjVhoN+FIvLtA6itu+53Wa X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YysIF738Au0mweQCKtkzUbW72ZvfQFOgQVAQSw0zRAIQzPFxAVE urqZ58t9gvW73xsJZodugZIydcE0uV5pBauSHKjFmwBuwK/uMowrQSstVrr9/8UR93CrhZnjzLp fEaB2jRRLH0aQ4Av8bPdUi9IyqF8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGCC+0qcepOB6EqXLQAESBr6zKQvAHVjwrR6+oFiu2zDeRo+CiuiJq03BfyivSMosdc/WvkdDq2KH0wYUMoVJk= X-Received: by 2002:a19:5f44:0:b0:52b:c2be:8694 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52ca6e6c755mr4053607e87.39.1718488389006; Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:53:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240612155040.u6cvatdb5tiwcxci@awork3.anarazel.de> <2302192.1718380169@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: From: Greg Sabino Mullane Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: adding pytest as a supported test framework To: Jelte Fennema-Nio Cc: Andrew Dunstan , Tom Lane , Robert Haas , Jacob Champion , Daniel Gustafsson , Andres Freund , PostgreSQL Hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fa3ec8061af4c130" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000fa3ec8061af4c130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Jelte Fennema-Nio wrote: > Afaict, there's a significant part of our current community who feel the > same way (and I'm pretty sure every sub-30 year old person who > newly joins the community would feel the exact same way too). > Those young-uns are also the same group who hold their nose when coding in C, and are always clamoring for rewriting Postgres in Rust. And before that, C++. And next year, some other popular language that is clearly better and more popular than C. And I agree with Robbert that Python seems like the best choice for this > other language, given its current popularity level. But as I said > before, I'm open to other languages as well. > Despite my previous posts, I am open to other languages too, including Python, but the onus is really on the new language promoters to prove that the very large amount of time and trouble is worth it, and worth it for language X. Cheers, Greg --000000000000fa3ec8061af4c130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM = Jelte Fennema-Nio <postgres@jeltef= .nl> wrote:
Afaict, there's a significant part of our= current community who feel the same way (and I'm pretty sure every sub= -30 year old person who
newly joins the community would feel the exact same way too).

Those young-uns are also the same group who hold the= ir nose when coding in C, and are always clamoring for rewriting Postgres i= n Rust. And before that, C++. And next year, some other popular language th= at is clearly better and more popular than C.

And I agree with Robbert that Pyth= on seems like the best choice for this other language, given its current po= pularity level. But as I said
before, I'm open to other languages as well.

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Despite my previous posts, I am open to other languages too, incl= uding Python, but the onus is really on the new language promoters to prove= that the very large amount of time and trouble is worth it, and worth it f= or language X.

Cheers,
Greg
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