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From: Isaac Morland <isaac.morland@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 08:44:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: Postgresql 18 Linux (all flavors) - with installation, create new
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On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 08:40, David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thursday, May 7, 2026, Dutch Glory <dutch.glory@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> proposal:
>> Postgresql 18 Linux (all flavors) - with installation, create new
>> instance/main database:
>> sudo -u postgres /usr/pgsql-18/bin/pg_ctl -D /var/lib/pgsql/18/data/
>> initdb
>>
>>
> No, make/ninja install should not create a database.  That is outside its
> appropriate responsibilities.  Installing from source stops once the
> binaries are installed.  Using the installed product is up to the user.
>

Also there are lots of reasons to install Postgres without creating an
instance. This is actually one of the things I don't like about the Ubuntu
installer, which defaults to creating an instance (although this behaviour
can be suppressed by creating a config file with an appropriate directive
first).

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 08:40, David G. Joh=
nston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:david.g.johnston@gmail.com">david.g.johnston@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta=
iner"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thursday, May 7,=
 2026, Dutch Glory &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dutch.glory@yahoo.com" target=3D"_=
blank">dutch.glory@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><br>
proposal:<br>
Postgresql 18 Linux (all flavors) - with installation, create new instance/=
main database:<br>
sudo -u postgres /usr/pgsql-18/bin/pg_ctl -D /var/lib/pgsql/18/data/ initdb=
<br><br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, make/ninja install should not create a=
 database.=C2=A0 That is outside its appropriate responsibilities.=C2=A0 In=
stalling from source stops once the binaries are installed.=C2=A0 Using the=
 installed product is up to the user.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>Also there are lots of reasons to install Postgres without creating an ins=
tance. This is actually one of the things I don&#39;t like about the Ubuntu=
 installer, which defaults to creating an instance (although this behaviour=
 can be suppressed by creating a config file with an appropriate directive =
first).</div></div></div>

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