Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1u2CNQ-00EYI3-Pc for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 17:04:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1u2CNP-00CQvX-8D for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 17:04:43 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1u2CNO-00CQuu-Rw for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 17:04:43 +0000 Received: from mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2e]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1u2CNL-004AjD-2N for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 17:04:42 +0000 Received: by mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-6e8fca43972so66251166d6.1 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=enterprisedb.com; s=google; t=1744131877; x=1744736677; darn=postgresql.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=UDch7XpkvEx83XBpm8bVoC4Cl0V7NxnKgWrsMaTesBM=; b=a3Wf/lmVYTzi/4w8lRx1kRv3QLiixfOoDPoZN+uE8vFThFQbsEt6+lsN+Jv7+mPz3W YIVRqnc4X0Wd0DRuYrEGQnuoulqn2oySi+GwqQmTtsnHm0IruXRdaas2fD+j/v68gxMn 6JzWtNwnSSv9gAq/2Qo/nocEbcAQvIwvhX8hUdpOfra3yg4rQCHfjgx+LKyj4/MKRxQY eVHjlok5O88Qt20QcrPGAejHsny6y1J48xzjm96mk1iMtUfwo5v0JhldEmyG8Mld10vR k0XKaX87vSNyNJSU9yHZwoMuQPasY1x6cTSo9kJXa4az/mEqR3PhpZx2c2++4Gu7TQKj tp5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1744131877; x=1744736677; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UDch7XpkvEx83XBpm8bVoC4Cl0V7NxnKgWrsMaTesBM=; b=NYxerER/Yh5Db6Om1jgBwN2ruO9XZPyicTsqfYt/mOkD2/DJY3Syr/6NhdiQMRP7nk KolXTml3jCtfRwqbhgSM1BeVZfEk0kcsSylrpjmOour+dzRrxcaLYYKV28aCwdRoEj/B wKA1mTTuNhocL3sC5awRBYho4ZeDv1mcxojI51DGUB1Pl+75g4iYyNt5+sQdgGL+I58Q eEPGstExusFVz+jONFTng3oQ/hQqPGrWnlVYw2gbG80gvpwW79/JwNLi28ZGGb0rpnA7 Iejy6WBF8jBuAkWW1L6pmE7DXCBmnag5Aenm6JDNHjnzW/VZraJSoleIsuif4klSHT7G R3Sg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXC8U3l7mFrYx0JfY/B5YIF4wDwh7w4GVSjXOd0x+Zv5Wf0RnT+FjNw1WIm4HzF/QN5Yhl5N4nCvuLuPOgI@postgresql.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzNLl9hwek/3kPwHmB9h4a4Tq6YbThADxvwjegHP/eMoA9Y/D3L HoxetmhSf8qZRLNydcNmvo9p1lOxKDReeBS2YWW7kvQ8Xl/XYA6xgi2fd8Gm9Lc2tCZl35otvEL b3UP6Nic/jOtSBKn1d0ZEss/1dYPsqtgytyO5 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsykC5+xXmLXh7ZFtWY6TuWHClxiS+VSCC+TKsKeP64SCHySEm37EcrrqVE3Z3 pNyWqsT7m3jpLWQqQ4VgHozINQv348kbvaFJ826jSxAwaDfcoYOEjvv0f5SU1z//vAV0ET2B/QA wJ8NhAVHiv4KbccMIJdPzZsAy4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGwbFT80PBBfsWxRfXtRmQicRKu2q0AX1ImKUGMChBOfFDrIjuj2fQNgj0SMOTZSHaM1e8qJ7CbRen/zysdYL8= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5f4d:0:b0:6d8:99cf:d2e3 with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-6f00dfc4e20mr238946756d6.22.1744131877550; Tue, 08 Apr 2025 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5bec3d4f-613f-425b-88c4-59e71c70f7d6@eisentraut.org> <96b5b38b-2fac-409f-b922-f7fd653bf847@technowledgy.de> <18f84e6a-41cf-4313-8bea-6007868dd05a@technowledgy.de> In-Reply-To: <18f84e6a-41cf-4313-8bea-6007868dd05a@technowledgy.de> From: Jacob Champion Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 10:04:26 -0700 X-Gm-Features: ATxdqUFwsrPJ6TKa2gvOPsDUU207duS2BT8Yn9GBbXjlT6oEk7wvhJy_SIDhWqE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PoC] Federated Authn/z with OAUTHBEARER To: Wolfgang Walther Cc: Bruce Momjian , Daniel Gustafsson , Christoph Berg , Andres Freund , Peter Eisentraut , Tom Lane , PostgreSQL Hackers , Thomas Munro , Nazir Bilal Yavuz , Antonin Houska Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 9:57=E2=80=AFAM Wolfgang Walther wrote: > if it's really the case that cURL is that much worse (it is not, but I am sympathetic to the argument that if you don't use it, you don't need it in the process space) > However, if the other deps are considered problematic as well, then the > ship has already sailed, and there is not point for a special case here > anymore. I think this line of argument is unlikely to find traction. Upthread there were people asking if we could maybe split out other possibly-unused dependencies in the future, like Kerberos. --Jacob