Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rjzo1-009WEV-K0 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:56:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rjznz-00AQIb-PE for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:56:24 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rjznz-00AQIS-DD for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:56:23 +0000 Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([93.188.3.37]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rjznx-0046HN-H9 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:56:23 +0000 Received: from s807.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8202FFF22D for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from s899.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.5]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3432E2ED01; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from s473.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.6]) by s899.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574282C8BAE4; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.21 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: s473.loopia.se (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yesql.se Received: from s980.loopia.se ([172.22.191.5]) by s473.loopia.se (s473.loopia.se [172.22.190.13]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 99xCda1qTNeN; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:19 +0100 (CET) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: daniel@yesql.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: 62.92.134.73 Received: from smtpclient.apple (73.134.92.62.static.cust.telenor.net [62.92.134.73]) (Authenticated sender: daniel@yesql.se) by s980.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA4BA22016CC; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:19 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yesql.se; s=loopiadkim1707475645; t=1710240979; bh=XViaNsOCfLZSxZkLt1Ahq8fv/uiSw0DX+LAjsRNwdcI=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=PaK03GgTJ453hhqxb7miuREzivgbBdyhM1gYbXgRnpvm9wPZpV6o4xVg5YB4Z1D11 9AHuHRdE3AHe1f1whEovRuZ997RxIU/T39fW/zxRUfZAGF5x8fsbI4lUJZM2f69otJ ys+NWo5Gpqdra5w5r6FFooPjj/cT2gux5AkAaHJdnXjiLme1WBue1zMhZHpK8uu+jv PNr5gLP6aYZ7OI5dZeQrosOmDgDaiGqK9HqrgZh2HwHsVBfNvTDmvcZURy3TDXWcIJ nc+8WaUMxlnZu9MdDOldo0EphdpPepYm/f1XDEews/mpubFYXommZP/AuzIC5r3JVL lkf+pYne2Pw9g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Subject: Re: Reports on obsolete Postgres versions From: Daniel Gustafsson In-Reply-To: <65f02a88.170a0220.805a4.01ff@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:56:19 +0100 Cc: Bruce Momjian , Nathan Bossart , PostgreSQL Hackers Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20240311211204.GA1786481@nathanxps13> <65f02a88.170a0220.805a4.01ff@mx.google.com> To: Michael Banck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk >> but that is far down the page. Do we need to improve this? > I liked the statement from Laurenz a while ago on his blog > (paraphrased): "Upgrading to the latest patch release does not require > application testing or recertification". I am not sure we want to put > that into the official page (or maybe tone down/qualify it a bit), but = I > think a lot of users stay on older minor versions because they dread > their internal testing policies. I think we need a more conservative language since a minor release might = fix a planner bug that someone's app relied on and their plans will be worse = after upgrading. While rare, it can for sure happen so the official wording = should probably avoid such bold claims. > The other thing that could maybe be made a bit better is the fantastic > patch release schedule, which however is buried in the "developer > roadmap". I can see how this was useful years ago, but I think this = page > should be moved to the end-user part of the website, and maybe (also) > integrated into the support/versioning page? Fair point. -- Daniel Gustafsson