Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oGVYM-0000Jq-Qo for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2022 01:09:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oGVYK-0007ie-20 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2022 01:09:32 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oGVYJ-0007iV-P1 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2022 01:09:31 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oGVYF-0003Pp-AQ for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2022 01:09:30 +0000 Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1oGVYA-006Hnw-DE; Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:09:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:09:22 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Robert Haas Cc: Michael Paquier , Justin Pryzby , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" , Shruthi Gowda Subject: Re: pg15b2: large objects lost on upgrade Message-ID: References: <20220702154917.GM13040@telsasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 03:45:11PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 2:57 PM Robert Haas wrote: > > Well, it took a while to figure out how to make that work, but I > > believe I've got it now. Attached please find a couple of patches that > > should get the job done. They might need a bit of polish, but I think > > the basic concepts are sound. > > So, would people like these patches (1) committed to master only, (2) > committed to master and back-patched into v15, or (3) not committed at > all? Michael argued upthread that it was too risky to be tinkering > with things at this stage in the release cycle and, certainly, the > more time goes by, the more true that gets. But I'm not convinced that > these patches involve an inordinate degree of risk, and using beta as > a time to fix things that turned out to be buggy is part of the point > of the whole thing. On the other hand, the underlying issue isn't that > serious either, and nobody seems to have reviewed the patches in > detail, either. I don't mind committing them on my own recognizance if > that's what people would prefer; I can take responsibility for fixing > anything that is further broken, as I suppose would be expected even > if someone else did review. But, I don't want to do something that > other people feel is the wrong thing to have done. This behavior is new in PG 15, and I would be worried to have one new behavior in PG 15 and another one in PG 16. Therefore, I would like to see it in PG 15 and master. I also think not doing anything and leaving these zero-length files around would also be risky. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Indecision is a decision. Inaction is an action. Mark Batterson