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[162.195.168.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e9e14a558f8ab-3a808e1e0d6sm44624155ab.63.2024.12.12.07.53.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 12 Dec 2024 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 09:53:00 -0600 From: Nathan Bossart To: Alvaro Herrera Cc: Michael Paquier , Robert Haas , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: .ready and .done files considered harmful Message-ID: References: <202412121529.45xvpzt2bomn@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <202412121529.45xvpzt2bomn@alvherre.pgsql> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 04:29:47PM +0100, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > On 2024-Nov-14, Michael Paquier wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 02:52:31PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 11:05 AM Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> >> So, my question now is, would there be much opposition to backpatching >> >> beb4e9ba1652 + 1fb17b190341 to REL_14_STABLE? >> > >> > It seems like it's been long enough now that if the new logic had >> > major problems we probably would have found them by now; so I feel >> > like it's probably pretty safe. Perhaps it's questionable how many >> > people we'll help by back-patching this into one additional release, >> > but if you feel it's worth it I wouldn't be inclined to argue. >> >> +1 for v14 as this version is still around for two years. > > Thanks, I have pushed it now. I'm happy to see these changes are proving to be useful! FWIW commit 756e221 should further reduce archiving overhead, but that may make it more likely that the server will attempt to re-archive files after a crash, so I'm not sure I would advise back-patching it. -- nathan