Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jlYFc-00084F-SI for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:37:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jlYFb-0002Cx-Pq for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:37:11 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jlYFb-0002Cq-EA for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:37:11 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jlYFV-0002kw-3S for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:37:10 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=a7W1MzptyUteFkNtIXkt0ZsS1+oydpIT4ifpMP4KwG0=; b=LXuGmFYTiOIZPpeRgOrXtTXIxB kB5o/IIqN9d7sr+gNq8CenHGuVmEmgq65BT8vdiysxFEKACC3dq8K4r9P81w+YShCy7Im0hHBgcfB JR0EdZAuqwLXcqq2FWrs2cGoiyuEsaS1A7fGcG7yOV8jVLYkKXsStbWDJ7q6jGg7hz2HryrlC3HAA QRFIXvLhUCBfcu5NUWVoWzYp7cfO0eRpBMJ1jB/sj0+sTcAwYNOuRN+QmrokRtrLMOaxnEtfFSrUD b1fh3+HwFSR4mgXzR5TronP9l31KabiJ+oExHqEmonHmHW5esWELBynuY2BlgcDVHKLNxdEYpKpbp 631QksZw==; Received: from pool-173-56-10-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([173.56.10.231] helo=Ph33rHippo.local) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jlYFR-0004rW-GS; Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:37:03 +0000 Subject: Re: language cleanups in code and docs To: Laurenz Albe , Tom Lane , Andrew Dunstan Cc: Andres Freund , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org References: <20200615182235.x7lch5n6kcjq4aue@alap3.anarazel.de> <4601de0f-fc81-de87-7173-75fee5497f85@2ndQuadrant.com> <1406831.1592351744@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Laurenz Albe , Tom Lane , Andrew Dunstan Cc: Andres Freund , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: language cleanups in code and docs References: <20200615182235.x7lch5n6kcjq4aue@alap3.anarazel.de> <4601de0f-fc81-de87-7173-75fee5497f85@2ndQuadrant.com> <1406831.1592351744@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: --getX3d8GZGW1bh7rqSZm7iLnVX9sN5pIV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/17/20 6:06 AM, Laurenz Albe wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-16 at 19:55 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> Andrew Dunstan writes: >>> On 6/15/20 2:22 PM, Andres Freund wrote: >>>> 2) 'master' as a reference to the branch. Personally I be in favor o= f >>>> changing the branch name, but it seems like it'd be better done as a= >>>> somewhat separate discussion to me, as it affects development >>>> practices to some degree. >>> I'm OK with this, but I would need plenty of notice to get the buildf= arm >>> adjusted. >> >> "master" is the default branch name established by git, is it not? No= t >> something we picked. I don't feel like we need to be out front of the= >> rest of the world in changing that. It'd be a cheaper change than som= e of >> the other proposals in this thread, no doubt, but it would still creat= e >> confusion for new hackers who are used to the standard git convention.= >=20 > I have the feeling that all this is going somewhat too far. First, I +1 the changes Andres proposed overall. In addition to it being the right thing to do, it brings inline a lot of the terminology we have been using to describe concepts in PostgreSQL for years (e.g. primary/replica). For the name of the git branch, I +1 following the convention of the git upstream, and make changes based on that. Understandably, it could break things for a bit, but that will occur for a lot of other projects as well and everyone will adopt. We have the benefit that we're just beginning our new development cycle too, so this is a good time to introduce breaking change ;) Jonathan --getX3d8GZGW1bh7rqSZm7iLnVX9sN5pIV-- --rFD59rLXwZtb7PqKrg0mpehsAVbDnYTBK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAl7qHHoACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSd+QA/+O3IjJOO7pocEIacEEGMQRhi8Ydk5vCucWKbexgoVEgWG91DgMGgjMyTC PxPQPq9paGmazSge4lUGLTJfAVU6q7ma+cjFSaBiKUVKmKCmtramWkua1cbEIgRi e471SyBn4jbuSvjWsp9gvvI38Tfe9nVdQULb7lNleSpJF8Lh+kbmaKqHwxcsqqax 5LD/sEdUykSANHqACYjkDNqSQVyP6oWJq/pkSy2tLS0OiGYKqeWbIXRRZa07CZB4 gkUmVuHFlwbnyQgOpXNr9GrNsxAvd7xcujkQVl45ArOjPBY3ns6pIE7BN+dEGGbe AdJZrAZ+hqIqj1mkc4yyYLDc9rFOApJH3RNA9KjQdCkHB89PF4CFeHXR8iUBqqah BLodcAsaaCHgfWbi5aSTjMyuJWjP9sqjYWRmhTq+UfFu+UmRcWJ9Xd+s5pIp99cV npez41s0s/064x0x7zZitAL6KiuqKwQgunMvgJT10DIZ30V3aRKHuD0BsvSLt8n9 YD9H6TxTZr2o+7AEpugdu5BnJmiy75riwyvKCoc3noaDHoNGPMKyocypeBxYQToT 5Ie+UotCzeIvicCx3JQTPQIJ+2+8EVWEanHutIypoWQgHuJVU07WC/Zv3d6wz7m1 oq+d/SWpJZwQaUn+L0tf8OgvKpVQxd6Mj4xxXDf9u4UnO/pz+cg= =Lnoi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rFD59rLXwZtb7PqKrg0mpehsAVbDnYTBK--