Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBO2y-000w9l-Pr for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:21:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBO2v-00Gt1C-Nl for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:21:33 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBO2v-00Gt13-EV for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:21:33 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1uBO2m-0002CA-24 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:21:32 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=momjian.us; s=2025010100; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description; bh=4kh5vX174H+7c8rX289VoOKL5nwxR6N1A34TRv2Rb6w=; b=fc99w tdtpk1rKYhcXQ9S+zsQTgZMNv4yIZ+kqDiiB56nOtVkiIc2Pl5YtAhJwWSmkWqgoPDw8nmEht1SAP pcpCUd0zbt/7s39/8sPDd2nvVVXU7Z6z3TYQoVNaKd/dnG60yOXxoByrT4CkEkiDd2RfSPKYs0qK2 gUeNPbbxwJcXFydSEaDxEj7AGjwzhu2aRW940KUdYA6opjmWpGGHld9LzpheCC/XO5wLn6PeWHfCo p6JoDBs30k/3c85jiQOL5JJ1kqNrLhC+kKFTLoCZdw9OhqqeN2+cQcxh0aOMl6TK3GyIjoQJVkohC 8oYLIsVZtVaVdqj5NyBJzyeS08g/Q==; Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1uBO2m-005v6e-0N; Sat, 03 May 2025 21:21:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 21:21:24 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Alexander Borisov Cc: PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed Message-ID: References: <5984af13-423d-41b0-8081-2f7000cfc5b7@gmail.com> <2a8134a0-3aad-4af5-832d-421d77e3e465@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a8134a0-3aad-4af5-832d-421d77e3e465@gmail.com> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 02:48:31AM +0300, Alexander Borisov wrote: > 04.05.2025 02:28, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > It doesn't warrant its own item because it is not user-facing work. The > > best we can do is add the commit to an existing item and add you as a > > co-author on an existing item. You will see several items that are that > > way already. > > > > Thank you for clarifying! > Users are not interested in performance gains. > Then it's not worth considering. Sorry to interrupt. So the logic is something I posted to this thread already: So, a few things. First, these set of commits was in a group of 10 that I added since there have been complaints in the past that optimizer improvements were not listed and therefore patch authors were not given sufficient credit. That means the 209 item count for PG 18 is 10 higher than my normal filtering would produce. Second, looking at the items, these are a case of "X is faster", which we don't normally mention in the release notes. We normally mention "faster" when it is so much faster that use cases which were not possible before might be possible now, so it is recommended to retest. That is what I saw this grouped item as, whereas I don't think the individual items meet that criteria. So, users are interested in performance in the sense it makes use cases possible, and if your commit is making the case folding useful, we should mention it in the release notes. I don't think making it separate would fit though. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.