Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uyrQ4-00DoYz-47 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:37:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uyrQ1-0070d1-Lu for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:37:54 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uyrQ1-0070co-Ci for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:37:54 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1uyrPz-000tvv-2o for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2025 12:37:53 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=momjian.us; s=2025010100; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description; bh=ym8SmUutp/y5EdacYAMYfyC+WKlEttEpwSGiseMARdE=; b=kEOid GABfJL3A4lfBK3V2nLfUkhmu7QxeZeLI/mV1qu6ABURnbLVgOtiXufCOEro1RwReMTLVi5RcDDXGL kwQ7ivzJGyZ6AtO85juuh47jZRClCN1GMcypfCetvofxIVchUvgzdcHQct54GCHc/B4YYnx/QTTwx BWNGymKjW7FtJMHjugfpmVkc9Jol0cZpu3xhtADr2GEt8yWc097yai7xfDWC2UZlQ/QXpM7Fd9lHx DNkvRvJ/jSpcxk5AGV552xGImi7/DCMKSK/V2576EV0KFoOMVTLFdybN1yDy/OFlJUUQRdh4tm5Vp UIB8EIkRpIJ/Fp5KUSxKXFA99rmsQ==; Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1uyrPz-0000000E1Qg-1UAT; Wed, 17 Sep 2025 08:37:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 08:37:51 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Daniel Gustafsson Cc: Peter Geoghegan , PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: PG 18 release notes draft committed Message-ID: References: <0D5DCA1E-608D-46D3-9AB6-3CBE54987596@yesql.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 08:30:19AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 01:07:56PM +0200, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > > On 17 Sep 2025, at 12:58, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Yes, clearly we need to fix the description we have now. However, we > > > have already updated this item twice, so I think we need to be careful > > > to get it right this time: > > > > Maybe we should move to a model where the release notes are worked on as a > > normal docs patch on the list and only committed at around RC1 to keep us from > > changing and removing from (in case of reverts) documentation published on > > postgresql.org? > > Well, then no one who downloads the software has any visibility on what > is changed/new, etc? Seems worse than that you are trying to fix. In addition, we only found out about this mistake because someone read it and we saw it was wrong. Withholding information only delays us finding these mistakes. I frankly don't understand how your suggestion makes anything better. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.