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[76.102.242.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 41be03b00d2f7-79f0a3debb6sm592501a12.5.2024.07.19.09.26.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Built-in CTYPE provider From: Jeff Davis To: Laurenz Albe , Tom Lane Cc: Noah Misch , Peter Eisentraut , Daniel Verite , Jeremy Schneider , Robert Haas , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:26:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <7204200c9c456e55dbbb80726d9373631786503b.camel@cybertec.at> References: <20240704212641.c4.nmisch@google.com> <1d178eb1bbd61da1bcfe4a11d6545e9cdcede1d1.camel@j-davis.com> <20240706195129.fd@rfd.leadboat.com> <564325.1720297161@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20240709010545.8c.nmisch@google.com> <39a30bd36198b44ed40da271ef96a72d133c32ba.camel@j-davis.com> <20240711125040.11.nmisch@google.com> <1908b19c0a3a210935608635cad1b4eeb819c66f.camel@j-davis.com> <20240717220326.df.nmisch@google.com> <4efae9f992f96a1e8eba0f515c637c3ff252d0fc.camel@cybertec.at> <20240718140015.9b.nmisch@google.com> <3729436.1721322211@sss.pgh.pa.us> <7204200c9c456e55dbbb80726d9373631786503b.camel@cybertec.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.44.4-0ubuntu2 MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2024-07-19 at 09:44 +0200, Laurenz Albe wrote: > But the greatness of the step depends on our readiness to be careful > with such changes. You and Noah have been clear on that point, which is enough to make *me* careful with any Unicode updates in the future. I'll suggest once more that you say so in the policy thread here: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/d75d2d0d1d2bd45b2c332c47e3e0a67f0640b= 49c.camel%40j-davis.com which would get broader visibility and I believe provide you with stronger assurances that *everyone* will be careful with Unicode updates. Regards, Jeff Davis >=20