Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wBBto-000pFN-2x for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:27:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wBBtn-00C2ur-0a for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:27:52 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wBBtm-00C2uj-1r for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:27:51 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1wBBtl-00000000Kx6-1InY for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:27:50 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=momjian.us; s=2026010100; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description; bh=rCBljUrBGhg/m8f7IHd+DyFg6u+6/uE39FtpYdR+VII=; b=zu/qJ dRGPXu4Xu0Htf9EQJ6h5G8piIa+jSyfkN+GnvwYKybKlclcep8V01529NTO2FBFnjRm377j5Bn5mG +Bd4hkz0Gv1SuZBhAzlJh2YZmI7/f1qdBNjvfLz5zsNTvBqRu6nnU9nVz0bzxLy+CTssJV57rGjIy LILpC55rVWrE9REkwlmzV/nuFOxtAWo9JBCEUvo5ZcdC49prLeZiCwGlVzPDmIend+b6kOaJDzaPL cCTJRCE7x1CjuFFMuH6fOaz9xUOTFXtJE2YWjxz2n8Lgo1r21nUY5ugScRp3jO3Fp2BllJVDN/Rd0 CbnRY4BN8WxJ9SiN9x2REhsmeTvqQ==; Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1wBBtk-0000000Edgk-02jE; Fri, 10 Apr 2026 09:27:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 09:27:47 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Jelte Fennema-Nio Cc: Andres Freund , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Heads Up: cirrus-ci is shutting down June 1st Message-ID: References: <3ydjipcr7kbss57nvi67noplncqhesl5eyb6wgol4ccjxynspv@yatlykpribmm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 01:31:38PM +0200, Jelte Fennema-Nio wrote: > On Thu, 9 Apr 2026 at 22:55, Andres Freund wrote: > > I'd be interested in feedback about how high folks value different aspects: > > My thoughts below. > > > 1) CI software can be self hosted > > > > E.g. to prevent at least the cfbot case from being unpredictably abandoned > > again. > > Low, I personally don't want to manage self hosting it. Self-hosted > software can just as easily be abandoned. i.e. I'd expect GitHub > Actions to outlive underfunded open source CI software. Uh, I actually think the opposite. while proprietary software doesn't disappear, it seems to become obsolete (underfunded development) or prohibitively expensive sooner than open source. The dataase industry has certainly shown that in the past 30 years. Also, four months ago Github wanted to charge for self-hosted actions, which supports "prohibitively expensive": https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/1po8hj5/github_actions_introducing_a_perminute_fee_for/ -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.