Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wFHhc-004vnO-23 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:28:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wFHhb-00AMwM-2K for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:28:11 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1wFHhb-00AMwE-1P for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:28:11 +0000 Received: from momjian.us ([72.94.173.45]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1wFHhZ-000000028yJ-0cas for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:28:10 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=momjian.us; s=2026010100; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description; bh=/+myXSGiUJ+fLrUw32l/qUUyX5DLR9S4vR9RAM8nVt8=; b=eZ66m JgXkKPGcARZeKaX4DSp8RLXtdpPkGxiZIM1Yy4rUKnA//+G6O7Y/GNEN/s4sTaRoVKai5cKbYs1QG hlM0EZUlrYG/161+zMxHktpI8Zi6E0zoZOQwzeS4wIAQzpUqF14eg3ofIjIcb2ioVHtikw4Tl//3F owNJaQjdyyrTo/JEIwmPXGX37sySZAb87pH9BX/w2C6gCaUOpj8tyiPwvO0npUebmHYw2KpfdWWCR bjpK8Csu8oe71NTU8rOi1XnsneSJX59WP/pyiVMgjNasY6C3BRFYhazHYbDMu1HuA+0IpqsuO+VoJ xguOeFSMLgQ8W0ExXpVELxMoI9X+A==; Received: from bruce by momjian.us with local (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1wFHhZ-0000000CWu0-0OrM; Tue, 21 Apr 2026 16:28:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 16:28:09 -0400 From: Bruce Momjian To: Andres Freund Cc: David Rowley , David Geier , PostgreSQL-development Subject: Re: First draft of PG 19 release notes Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 11:52:37AM -0400, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2026-04-20 12:12:07 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > So, these are not really rules, but a suggestion to just include more > > and we can trim. I see several problems with that: > > > > 1. Researching and writing each item is what takes the most time, so it > > could double my time to do this, which is fine if there were not other > > problems. > > FWIW, I think it's totally fine if you say that you don't want to do the work > to formulate performance improvement release note entries. It's a lot of work > to curate the release notes, it makes sense to split the work up. When people complained about missing optimizer improvements, I was able to add them by referencing the plan changes they effect, with the assumption that they understand plan types. For lower-level performance improvements, it is nearly impossible for me to explain the items in a way that references something the reader will understand. Saying "widget X is faster" when the user has no idea what X is just isn't useful information for them, and I can't even explain widget X in a brief, user-relatable way. It is this fundamental issue that has prevented me from even trying. In summary, I was only able to do the optimizer additions by referencing plan types --- if I didn't assume users understand plan types, adding the optimizer issues would also have been impossible for me. I think David Rowley's idea of rolling up performance improvements into a single release note entry that is relatable is a great idea, but something I am incapable of doing without a lot of help. Giving a list of commits and git details might allow others to create text for such items. -- Bruce Momjian https://momjian.us EDB https://enterprisedb.com Do not let urgent matters crowd out time for investment in the future.