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This patch tries to > bypass that foundational assumption, but only during the initial > snapshot construction while processing running_xacts record. > > To be clear, I am not against the idea of db-specific snapshots to > enable concurrent repacks. My concern is simply the time required to > get the architecture right. In its current state, we need more time to > carefully consider how this db-specific concept interacts with the > rest of the logical decoding machinery, which is built for > cluster-wide records. Hmm. So at this point I have to admit that the time I'll have before beta 1 is going to be very scarce. You're probably right that it's better to revert db-specific snapshots in pg19, and try again for 20. The revert should be a simple patch. -- Álvaro Herrera 48°01'N 7°57'E — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/