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On 2026-05-07 Th 8:44 AM, Isaac Morland wrote:
> On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 08:40, David G. Johnston 
> <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     On Thursday, May 7, 2026, Dutch Glory <dutch.glory@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>         proposal:
>         Postgresql 18 Linux (all flavors) - with installation, create
>         new instance/main database:
>         sudo -u postgres /usr/pgsql-18/bin/pg_ctl -D
>         /var/lib/pgsql/18/data/ initdb
>
>
>     No, make/ninja install should not create a database. That is
>     outside its appropriate responsibilities. Installing from source
>     stops once the binaries are installed.  Using the installed
>     product is up to the user.
>
>
> Also there are lots of reasons to install Postgres without creating an 
> instance. This is actually one of the things I don't like about the 
> Ubuntu installer, which defaults to creating an instance (although 
> this behaviour can be suppressed by creating a config file with an 
> appropriate directive first).


+1 It's annoyed me many times.


cheers


andrew

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2026-05-07 Th 8:44 AM, Isaac Morland
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        <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 7 May 2026 at 08:40, David G. Johnston
          &lt;<a href="mailto:david.g.johnston@gmail.com"
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            Thursday, May 7, 2026, Dutch Glory &lt;<a
              href="mailto:dutch.glory@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dutch.glory@yahoo.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
              proposal:<br>
              Postgresql 18 Linux (all flavors) - with installation,
              create new instance/main database:<br>
              sudo -u postgres /usr/pgsql-18/bin/pg_ctl -D
              /var/lib/pgsql/18/data/ initdb<br>
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            <div>No, make/ninja install should not create a database. 
              That is outside its appropriate responsibilities. 
              Installing from source stops once the binaries are
              installed.  Using the installed product is up to the user.</div>
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          </div>
          <div>Also there are lots of reasons to install Postgres
            without creating an instance. This is actually one of the
            things I don't like about the Ubuntu installer, which
            defaults to creating an instance (although this behaviour
            can be suppressed by creating a config file with an
            appropriate directive first).</div>
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    <p>+1 It's annoyed me many times.</p>
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    <p>cheers</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>andrew<br>
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