Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7pfi-007iT1-H2 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 17 May 2024 04:58:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7pfh-005DQy-Fx for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 17 May 2024 04:58:21 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7pff-005DGu-FE for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 17 May 2024 04:58:20 +0000 Received: from fout1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([103.168.172.144]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7pfZ-000beo-VU for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Fri, 17 May 2024 04:58:18 +0000 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0177013814B1; Fri, 17 May 2024 00:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 17 May 2024 00:58:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eisentraut.org; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1715921891; x=1716008291; bh=BhpJ6zXnfb1TLp+O9cFTg6MXc+iNs78c a+gtQnmIo54=; b=4/Zj0pE3BHSjRWA2eZvcit320JcR1tp52DTpCKKFqBMEOaLh +r4dz1YaTkNsruc6XEdpZSPKqFRPRy45Y0SeHtHLjYHZOzJILuqJiqZwamBzYS7D UxV71kyC04kIhUVaKTUiUXrbuVFBwejdt1MLid4S94aHuImtwmhy+HHiDwTwkq9M zNG/PCu1Kr66zCOFCwGngDnoyJwfAqmLwNc0Q5q8t5az3N5m3yhKlUigF4edVLVv UDD5jCy9ZBCUo/UggdefdCNPtOcH21Oq3BhU/iIBnseRMa0WS553HCEK7H8syAX0 8O53ELUKzvGprwylJwEER71zCa3u0FEBjYwZdA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1715921891; x= 1716008291; bh=BhpJ6zXnfb1TLp+O9cFTg6MXc+iNs78ca+gtQnmIo54=; b=U XrgfXIMoL93rLcsSLKC4l1+w60AIXNDG9rM/oXq7sfknruoLzauXvTT0Hy5nqX92 xhDcwtPP6zzLf6IkYjhIjYqMOZLvF3vuhYp0P3jQDH6qad6uepaIEgafvR1cRHJL yxqNrcGbePEhRNqyuWAZ4+d37ZRIFc0eduk7feDXHcdOZw90+g2m6yGi5o70YMqf RlQ1VjrRf34XL6sjXK3u6J4PTMQaf0gPo5dFxYIrA4SiMZJAnIu407xi7EhpEGIt QJKu6GLGnIrQAXHUNP1iPRJspoOp4shBJj5owouan1UUeB4MC0Yzn+o/eel0evq7 5Nu0Vs6LLp3YZQnyH0Epg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrvdehfedgfeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvvehfhfgjtgfgsehtjeertddtvdejnecuhfhrohhmpefrvght vghrucfgihhsvghnthhrrghuthcuoehpvghtvghrsegvihhsvghnthhrrghuthdrohhrgh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleejtddugffgffefhfeiteefheetudekjeeutdelhfeg gfffudejheeufeduffeknecuffhomhgrihhnpehpohhsthhgrhgvshhqlhdrohhrghenuc evlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehpvghtvghr segvihhsvghnthhrrghuthdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ie0a040ee:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 17 May 2024 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 06:58:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: commitfest.postgresql.org is no longer fit for purpose To: Tom Lane Cc: Melanie Plageman , Robert Haas , "pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org" References: <45faf826-42b7-4ce9-a081-0903d033f411@eisentraut.org> <2186208.1715895987@sss.pgh.pa.us> <2206351.1715897598@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Language: en-US From: Peter Eisentraut In-Reply-To: <2206351.1715897598@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 17.05.24 00:13, Tom Lane wrote: >> So a third status that encompasses the various other situations like >> maybe forgotten by author, disagreements between author and reviewer, >> process difficulties, needs some senior developer intervention, etc. >> could be helpful. > > Hmm, "forgotten by author" seems to generally turn into "this has been > in WOA state a long time". Not sure we have a problem representing > that, only with a process for eventually retiring such entries. > Your other three examples all sound like "needs senior developer > attention", which could be a helpful state that's distinct from "ready > for committer". It's definitely not the same as "Unclear". Yeah, some fine-tuning might be required. But I would be wary of over-designing too many new states at this point. I think the key idea is that there ought to be a state that communicates "needs attention from someone other than author, reviewer, or committer".