Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7iEQ-006z9D-I0 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7iEQ-00FX7V-Em for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:42 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7iEP-00FX7N-E3 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:42 +0000 Received: from resqmta-h2p-567037.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fd02:2446::2]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1s7iEH-000bEU-PL for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:38 +0000 Received: from resomta-h2p-554994.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.179.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resqmta-h2p-567037.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id 7g2qs1A5Cwpdc7iE6spejX; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:22 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1715893282; bh=3RhgPAGI3KfuMlw9d6UYWKgWpa0AdiWu2N00jHi/qQ0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From: Content-Type:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=o4wNLB/d+bkF6Q0iw6ismc9J4tTWW+j0zl/58jxQF3grMCyF5eGnCQ0IhFFXRNDSG 81aH2bprPjvi9whAJHC1ikvjj9tWR05ZghW9TC8RF9R02pTr1A2gWtFsX0uf11bwkY lEEvDcMIkfTDb0Pu8bmJZSvfVmYYsj79PawVe1t81Z4bewBbjQTq9B907heorRNUl3 ks4x2Okuh+yckIY8gCmwmXoP6O6HgITyQBAtczEhSFBHuULJXW+hTlZXnaFtqOEtZW PmcGo2XyvtMzSZW/qycGSK1xV3zOQDmie6ofLExVrIQ1INGEz2T846lICcvhdi/bwM UUPnriVZsFLPg== Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.62.181.191]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-h2p-554994.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id 7iDisGk2C8D5o7iDjsupd1; Thu, 16 May 2024 21:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 17:00:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: commitfest.postgresql.org is no longer fit for purpose To: PostgreSQL Hackers References: <50435844-54E0-4100-AE23-C72FF4134F92@yesql.se> <2145897.1715888840@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Language: en-US From: Jesper Pedersen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfLua/CznhLKKgNeGBLkfkEN64xs67q+cjIOWMY0FpRta3alKxRNiMwSpTMA4ImozcwQqteR2yrHz0UZNLtf2+XjqaDqg1XsjCkRMrIeX68V+qmsF/f5+ 9gdeeho35BkJRshs+ZlGdrxwM7sqXtGI7CaoSzkQjO2LADO+NBu22oWN9nAGd6MVB0UmzTVMTzlKFjbpfndGMSnajY75rO3Pk5U= List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Hi, On 5/16/24 4:31 PM, Joe Conway wrote: >> Yeah.  I think that Robert put his finger on a big part of the >> problem, which is that punting a patch to the next CF is a lot >> easier than rejecting it, particularly for less-senior CFMs >> who may not feel they have the authority to say no (or at >> least doubt that the patch author would accept it). > > Maybe we should just make it a policy that *nothing* gets moved forward > from commitfest-to-commitfest and therefore the author needs to care > enough to register for the next one? > Or at least nothing get moved forward from March. Spending time on a patch during a major version doesn't mean that you have time to do the same for the next major version. That way July could start "clean" with patches people are interested in and willing to maintain during the next year. Also, it is a bit confusing that f.ex. https://commitfest.postgresql.org/48/ already shows 40 patches as Committed... So, having some sort of "End of Development" state in general would be good. Best regards, Jesper