Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q6uhJ-0005l9-KE for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:03:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q6uhH-0000yz-V6 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:03:39 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q6uhG-0000wZ-Q3 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:03:39 +0000 Received: from new1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.221]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1q6uhD-000nuk-18 for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:03:38 +0000 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F97580371; Wed, 7 Jun 2023 11:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 07 Jun 2023 11:03:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1686150210; x=1686157410; bh=G1mVpNg9EN4swVvRlPif2U2jNr2TkEYlRRZ CCbh6NHg=; b=psDUoqtxCl9hAWRoj+uxLaj6626kYWtUA4vecXwDprlR0UVTCQP sioNsWabXgxuLkhkeKy0d/LqrJ4mgYGVxZKq2Az/adPQ9iKmM3TVqPH8jWbqnNhh 4BXYAsfmPn1hs0+UvEk3urC3+mxgQEs9nMIs9Aw2PRyZGZ5ye3RBW2QTi8lLHshe Sxd+/+5Slx3yaOkMwkgPRXjM69UZZxycLlx5HkMfwjiuHZ3j4Kp9DuixeUbDU1dC isuJ2ZVqui2hSkOHApBi+a+nQyZmCQvEOMIhcIzbrpszj7xe5ScaKGEDmvCUOKhF A7f3fJCIihdc+e/LnDqQH46zpTgx0IFeFTg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrgedtgedgkeegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvvehfhfgjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefrvght vghrucfgihhsvghnthhrrghuthcuoehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvghnthhrrghuthesvghnth gvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeehleffgeegudejteei hfelteduvdeifffhffdvjedvffegjeekudeludehudeifeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiii gvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehpvghtvghrrdgvihhsvghnthhrrghu thesvghnthgvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i131946ab:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 7 Jun 2023 11:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:03:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: Order changes in PG16 since ICU introduction Content-Language: en-US To: Jeff Davis , Alvaro Herrera Cc: Sandro Santilli , Tom Lane , Regina Obe , pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org References: <20230509082553.yjikrxn54mi6hezc@alvherre.pgsql> <05ad2b39-3d0f-e0aa-e0a3-086b998a26e8@enterprisedb.com> <0b93be9554c21abfe9571ea9243fa5aa196d9200.camel@j-davis.com> From: Peter Eisentraut In-Reply-To: <0b93be9554c21abfe9571ea9243fa5aa196d9200.camel@j-davis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 22.05.23 19:35, Jeff Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 13:07 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Here is my proposed patch for this. > > The commit message makes it sound like lc_collate/ctype are completely > obsolete, and I don't think that's quite right: they still represent > the server environment, which does still matter in some cases. > > I'd just say that they are too confusing (likely to be misused), and > becoming obsolete (or less relevant), or something along those lines. > > Otherwise, this is fine with me. I didn't do a detailed review because > it's just mechanical. I have committed this with some tuning of the commit message.