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"Co-authored-by:" should list > > individuals who modified the patch but should not be listed as > > authors in the release notes. I think that is a completely unwarranted change for which there is zero concensus. > I don't see in what way this is useful. Why do you want to suppress > people from getting credit for the work they do? Having changed the > commit guidance this way, I think no committer would use Co-authored-by > at all. +1 > > I am not sure PG 19 follows this, but we might want to follow it going > > forward. > > More and more I am getting the feeling that the commit guidance is > actually misguided. The document itself is not very good (I mean, why > use XML-lookalike to represent a commit message, which is regular > English prose??); and I don't feel it represents actual consensus. I think a more useful format would be something that can sensibly get used as a git commit template (mine has tags I commonly use that I just delete when not used). > > A larger issue is that since we now have links to the commits in the > > release notes, there might no longer be a need to list _any_ names next > > to the release note items. > > I don't understand your motivation for saying things like these. +1 Greetings, Andres Freund