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* THE Postgres WEB SITE
@ 1999-11-12 01:03 Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
1999-11-12 02:38 ` Re: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 17:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Byron Nikolaidis @ 1999-11-12 01:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-interfaces; +Cc: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>; Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
web site??
For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
web site?
If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
"Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows? looked on
the
website and only found linux binaries and source."
What's up with that?
Byron
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* Re: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 01:03 THE Postgres WEB SITE Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
@ 1999-11-12 02:38 ` The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 02:55 ` Re: THE Postgres WEB SITE Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: The Hermit Hacker @ 1999-11-12 02:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; +Cc: pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>; webmaster@postgresql.org, Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Since I've never had to go looking before, I had never thought about
it...but, that sort of stuff should be listed under the Software
link...*shrug* Vince, can you maybe add an 'Interfaces' link off of
Software?
Also, while at it, the XShare link from the 'Info->Related Projects' is
kinda dead ... :(
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Byron Nikolaidis wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
> web site??
>
> For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
> driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
> web site?
>
> If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
>
> Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
> and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
>
> I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
> Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
>
> "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows? looked on
> the
> website and only found linux binaries and source."
>
> What's up with that?
>
> Byron
>
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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* Re: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 01:03 THE Postgres WEB SITE Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
1999-11-12 02:38 ` Re: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 1999-11-12 02:55 ` Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Vince Vielhaber @ 1999-11-12 02:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>; webmaster@postgresql.org, Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
On 12-Nov-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> Since I've never had to go looking before, I had never thought about
> it...but, that sort of stuff should be listed under the Software
> link...*shrug* Vince, can you maybe add an 'Interfaces' link off of
> Software?
Actually I've already started putting this one together.
>
> Also, while at it, the XShare link from the 'Info->Related Projects' is
> kinda dead ... :(
Yeah, I see. Wonder when that happened...
Vince.
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Byron Nikolaidis wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
>> web site??
>>
>> For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
>> driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
>> web site?
>>
>> If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
>> Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
>> links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
>>
>> Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
>> and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
>>
>> I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
>> Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
>>
>> "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows? looked on
>> the
>> website and only found linux binaries and source."
>>
>> What's up with that?
>>
>> Byron
>>
>
> Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>
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* Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 01:03 THE Postgres WEB SITE Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
@ 1999-11-12 17:07 ` Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
1999-11-13 02:04 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
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From: Sergio A. Kessler @ 1999-11-12 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: byron.nikolaidis@home.com; dpage@vale-housing.co.uk; lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu; petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk; pgsql-interfaces; scrappy@hub.org
Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com> el día Thu, 11 Nov 1999
20:03:04 -0500, escribió:
>Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
>web site??
>
>For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
>driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
>web site?
>
>If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
>Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
>links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
100% agreed.
and I add: the web site doesn't work well without javascript.
(very, very annoying)
Sergio
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* Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 01:03 THE Postgres WEB SITE Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
1999-11-12 17:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
@ 1999-11-13 02:04 ` The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-14 16:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: The Hermit Hacker @ 1999-11-13 02:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>; +Cc: byron.nikolaidis@home.com; dpage@vale-housing.co.uk; lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu; petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk; pgsql-interfaces
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
> Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com> el día Thu, 11 Nov 1999
> 20:03:04 -0500, escribió:
>
> >Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
> >web site??
> >
> >For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
> >driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
> >web site?
> >
> >If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> >Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> >links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
>
> 100% agreed.
>
> and I add: the web site doesn't work well without javascript.
> (very, very annoying)
Huh? I have Javascript disabled in my browser and haven't noticed any
problems with it yet *raised eyebrow*
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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* Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 01:03 THE Postgres WEB SITE Byron Nikolaidis <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>
1999-11-12 17:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
1999-11-13 02:04 ` Re: [INTERFACES] THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 1999-11-14 16:07 ` Sergio A. Kessler <ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar>
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From: Sergio A. Kessler @ 1999-11-14 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: byron.nikolaidis@home.com; dpage@vale-housing.co.uk; lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu; petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk; pgsql-interfaces
The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> > >If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> > >Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> > >links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
> >
> > 100% agreed.
> >
> > and I add: the web site doesn't work well without javascript.
> > (very, very annoying)
>
> Huh? I have Javascript disabled in my browser and haven't noticed any
> problems with it yet *raised eyebrow*
easy, very easy to proof: View -> Page source (in navigator at least)
you will find something like:
<SCRIPT>
<!----
browserName = navigator.appName;
browserVer = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
if (browserVer >= 4)
{
img('as1');
img('as2');
img('as3');
img('as4');
img('as5');
}
//----->
</SCRIPT>
--
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* RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
@ 1999-11-12 07:58 Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Mount @ 1999-11-12 07:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces; +Cc: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>; Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
I don't get as many as you, but average about 5 emails a week asking
where the JDBC driver is.
I think we could do with atleast a page describing the various
interfaces, and where to get them (both in source and compiled [if
appropriate] formats).
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Nikolaidis [mailto:byron.nikolaidis@home.com]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:03 AM
To: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org
Cc: The Hermit Hacker; Thomas Lockhart; Peter Mount; Dave Page
Subject: THE Postgres WEB SITE
Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
web site??
For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin, or the JDBC
driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
web site?
If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
"Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows? looked on
the
website and only found linux binaries and source."
What's up with that?
Byron
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* RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
@ 1999-11-12 08:53 Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 10:06 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Rolf Lüttecke <rluettecke@gcd.de>
1999-11-12 13:37 ` RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 14:38 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
1999-11-12 15:28 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Gerald Leppert <gerald@postgresql.de>
1999-11-12 15:43 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Gerald Leppert <gerald.leppert@fen.baynet.de>
0 siblings, 5 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 1999-11-12 08:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; +Cc: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org, The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
I agree that the site does need better links to software and related
projects. I've just had a look at the site to remind myself, and it is very
difficult to find things (as I recall I previously used to look at the
listing of the additional software on the distribution CD if I wanted to
know what else was out there).
Perhaps 3 sections:
Interfaces/APIs (ODBC, JDBC etc)
Tools (pgAdmin, pgBash etc.)
Application Software
The third section is one I would be interested in. My staff and I are
writing software for PostgreSQL that maybe of use to others, and I'm sure
others must be doing the same (either commercial or open source - in fact if
any has any financial ledgers...). I appreciate that the User Gallery is
(intended as) a listing of what PostgreSQL is being used for/with, but
perhaps a more moderated list of what people can actually download or buy
would attract more potential users.
Regards,
Dave.
--
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http://www.vale-housing.co.uk (Work)
http://www.pgadmin.freeserve.co.uk (Home of pgAdmin)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byron Nikolaidis [mailto:byron.nikolaidis@home.com]
> Sent: 12 November 1999 01:03
> To: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org
> Cc: The Hermit Hacker; Thomas Lockhart; Peter Mount; Dave Page
> Subject: THE Postgres WEB SITE
>
>
>
> Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
> web site??
>
> For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin,
> or the JDBC
> driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
> web site?
>
> If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
>
> Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
> and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
>
> I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
> Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
>
> "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows?
> looked on
> the
> website and only found linux binaries and source."
>
> What's up with that?
>
> Byron
>
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
@ 1999-11-12 10:06 ` Rolf Lüttecke <rluettecke@gcd.de>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Rolf Lüttecke @ 1999-11-12 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; pgsql-interfaces
Hi,
Dave Page wrote:
>
> Perhaps 3 sections:
>
> Interfaces/APIs (ODBC, JDBC etc)
> Tools (pgAdmin, pgBash etc.)
> Application Software
>
> The third section is one I would be interested in. My staff and I are
> writing software for PostgreSQL that maybe of use to others, and I'm sure
> others must be doing the same (either commercial or open source - in fact if
> any has any financial ledgers...). I appreciate that the User Gallery is
> (intended as) a listing of what PostgreSQL is being used for/with, but
> perhaps a more moderated list of what people can actually download or buy
> would attract more potential users.
Good idea - imho this site should be THE "starting-place" looking for
pgsql-apps
in the future. (If this is intended/feasibly by the maintainers of the
site)
Regards,
- Rolf
_____________________________________________________________________
"Rolf Luettecke" <rluettecke@gcd.de>
Gesellschaft für
Computer- u. Datentechnik mbH
http://www.gcd.de
Internet Business Solutions
_____________________________________________________________________
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* RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
@ 1999-11-12 13:37 ` The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 15:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
4 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: The Hermit Hacker @ 1999-11-12 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; +Cc: 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Jeff MacDonald <jeff@hub.org>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Dave Page wrote:
> I agree that the site does need better links to software and related
> projects. I've just had a look at the site to remind myself, and it is very
> difficult to find things (as I recall I previously used to look at the
> listing of the additional software on the distribution CD if I wanted to
> know what else was out there).
*hang head* that's what I've always done too :)
> The third section is one I would be interested in. My staff and I are
> writing software for PostgreSQL that maybe of use to others, and I'm sure
> others must be doing the same (either commercial or open source - in fact if
> any has any financial ledgers...). I appreciate that the User Gallery is
> (intended as) a listing of what PostgreSQL is being used for/with, but
> perhaps a more moderated list of what people can actually download or buy
> would attract more potential users.
Jeff has been working on cleaning up the User Gallery listing to get rid
of the cruft...but...
If I were to sit down this weekend and write up an "Applications" listings
page, what fields should be included? This is the biggest problem I have
with doing this, I never know what all should be included :(
If someone wants to make me a form that looks good and is complete, I'll
do up the backend coding and setup the databases for this...I can write
code, but I'm *terrible* at doing visuals ...
> --
> Network & Systems Manager, The Vale Housing Association.
> http://www.vale-housing.co.uk (Work)
> http://www.pgadmin.freeserve.co.uk (Home of pgAdmin)
> Beer can be a permanent solution, but only if you have enough of it!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Byron Nikolaidis [mailto:byron.nikolaidis@home.com]
> > Sent: 12 November 1999 01:03
> > To: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org
> > Cc: The Hermit Hacker; Thomas Lockhart; Peter Mount; Dave Page
> > Subject: THE Postgres WEB SITE
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
> > web site??
> >
> > For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin,
> > or the JDBC
> > driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
> > web site?
> >
> > If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> > Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> > links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
> >
> > Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
> > and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
> >
> > I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
> > Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
> >
> > "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows?
> > looked on
> > the
> > website and only found linux binaries and source."
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > Byron
> >
>
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 13:37 ` RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 1999-11-12 15:07 ` Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
1999-11-12 15:43 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
1999-11-12 16:11 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@wallace.ece.rice.edu>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Lamar Owen @ 1999-11-12 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Jeff MacDonald <jeff@hub.org>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> If I were to sit down this weekend and write up an "Applications" listings
> page, what fields should be included? This is the biggest problem I have
> with doing this, I never know what all should be included :(
>
> If someone wants to make me a form that looks good and is complete, I'll
> do up the backend coding and setup the databases for this...I can write
> code, but I'm *terrible* at doing visuals ...
While it doesn't directly answer your question, there is a source of
information on applications for PostgreSQL -- the PostgreSQL-HOWTO,
which I include as part of the RPM distribution (on RedHat's insistence
-- the RPM's they shipped with RedHat 6.1 HAD to have that HOWTO,
ITNSHO). This HOWTO has a pretty comprehensive list of things -- its
only detraction is that it is a _Linux_ HOWTO.
The PostgreSQL HOWTO as I package it can be pulled from
http://www.ramifordistat.net/postgres/unpacked/non-beta/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-html.tar.gz
Or, you can view the latest version online at
http://metalab.unc.edu/linux/HOWTO/PostgreSQL-HOWTO.html
I know how you feel about Linux, Marc....but this HOWTO has some good
things in it that transcends the linux-centric HOWTO list.
Thomas, this HOWTO, like all HOWTO's, is sourced in SGML. The current
maintainer is Al Dev (Alavoor Vasudevan) <alavoor@yahoo.com>, last
update October 23, 1999.
Now, as to a form for application listings, try:
1.) Name
2.) Author
3.) License and cost if commercial
4.) Website (hyperlinked)
5.) Download direct link
6.) Size (??)
7.) Rating (??) (one to five elephants, maybe, in the tucows tradition?)
8.) Detailed description, preferably pulled from the author's readme or
website documentation.
9.) User reviews (??)
Or, just look at Linuxberg, tucows, and Simtel (and whatever the BSD
communities have in the same vein) for ideas of an application listing.
HTH
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 13:37 ` RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 15:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
@ 1999-11-12 15:43 ` Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
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From: Lamar Owen @ 1999-11-12 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-interfaces
Lamar Owen wrote:
> ITNSHO). This HOWTO has a pretty comprehensive list of things -- its
> only detraction is that it is a _Linux_ HOWTO.
>
> The PostgreSQL HOWTO as I package it can be pulled from
> http://www.ramifordistat.net/postgres/unpacked/non-beta/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-html.tar.gz
>
> Or, you can view the latest version online at
> http://metalab.unc.edu/linux/HOWTO/PostgreSQL-HOWTO.html
[NOTE: Take what you read in this HOWTO with a grain of salt, as there
are several known errors in it. The PostgreSQL documentation is the
canonical set for PostgreSQL -- this HOWTO is not. It does, however,
have a list of applications that use PostgreSQL -- which is what I
pointing out.]
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 13:37 ` RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 15:07 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
@ 1999-11-12 16:11 ` Ross J. Reedstrom <reedstrm@wallace.ece.rice.edu>
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From: Ross J. Reedstrom @ 1999-11-12 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>; +Cc: pgsql-interfaces
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:07:44AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> Now, as to a form for application listings, try:
> 1.) Name
> 2.) Author
> 3.) License and cost if commercial
> 4.) Website (hyperlinked)
> 5.) Download direct link
> 6.) Size (??)
> 7.) Rating (??) (one to five elephants, maybe, in the tucows tradition?)
> 8.) Detailed description, preferably pulled from the author's readme or
> website documentation.
> 9.) User reviews (??)
>
10.) Version(s) of pgsql known to work with it.
Ross
--
Ross J. Reedstrom, Ph.D., <reedstrm@rice.edu>
NSBRI Research Scientist/Programmer
Computer and Information Technology Institute
Rice University, 6100 S. Main St., Houston, TX 77005
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
@ 1999-11-12 14:38 ` Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
1999-11-12 14:51 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1999-11-12 19:56 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Oliver Elphick <olly@lfix.co.uk>
4 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Lamar Owen @ 1999-11-12 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; +Cc: 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org, The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>; Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
Dave Page wrote:
> I agree that the site does need better links to software and related
> projects. I've just had a look at the site to remind myself, and it is very
> difficult to find things (as I recall I previously used to look at the
> listing of the additional software on the distribution CD if I wanted to
> know what else was out there).
There certainly can be improvement to the existing site. However, I am
reminded of the site I saw over two years ago, when I was first
installing 6.1.1. I want to commend those who have improved the site
from what it was then -- documentation, organization, the mailing list
archives, the browseable CVS tree, etc, are light-years ahead of the
site then.
I fully expect, with the talent we have, that the site in two more years
will be even better.
So, while it would be nice to have more pointers to things such as
pgAdmin and pgBash (and I fully support a page of pointers!), the site
is in fairly good shape now.
Also, I believe that we should have a link to the Debian packages that
Oliver puts together somewhere on the download page. I would also like
to see someone start maintaining a package for Win32 that is a
self-extracting, fully installable/uninstallable setup -- having such a
streamlined installation for Win32, IMO, would be a big win. If we
can't ship the libraries required to run the Win32 (the CygWin stuff)
inside an installable package, I believe we should provide a link to
where the libraries can be located.
I remember what it was like getting installation details two years
ago.... It wasn't fun, but it was possible. What reminded me of that
was an e-mail question I received regarding the installation of the
RPM's. There are a few steps that I hadn't elaborated upon (because
they were trivially obvious to me) that were confusing an RPM user (a
rank newbie, at that -- man, it was a trip down memory lane explaining
to him how to get PostgreSQL up on RedHat....) -- now, the RPM
documentation will be better, due to his question.
OBTW: No, I'm not volunteering to maintain the Win32 packages -- I do
all my development work on Linux.
JMHO, of course.
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 14:38 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
@ 1999-11-12 14:51 ` The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: The Hermit Hacker @ 1999-11-12 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>; +Cc: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces@postgresql.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Also, I believe that we should have a link to the Debian packages that
> Oliver puts together somewhere on the download page. I would also like
> to see someone start maintaining a package for Win32 that is a
> self-extracting, fully installable/uninstallable setup -- having such a
> streamlined installation for Win32, IMO, would be a big win. If we
> can't ship the libraries required to run the Win32 (the CygWin stuff)
> inside an installable package, I believe we should provide a link to
> where the libraries can be located.
Can someone tell me *where* I can find information on makign a nice, fully
installable Win32 package? We have the resources to do this, but I've
avoided Win32 as much as possible, so the knowledge is lacking...
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
1999-11-12 14:38 ` Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org>
@ 1999-11-12 19:56 ` Oliver Elphick <olly@lfix.co.uk>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Elphick @ 1999-11-12 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-interfaces
Lamar Owen wrote:
...
>Also, I believe that we should have a link to the Debian packages that
>Oliver puts together somewhere on the download page.
http://packages.debian.org is sufficient; since Debian has a central
repository, Debian users should not need detailed URLs for the individual
packages, and the packages will not be much use to non-Debian users.
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me." Matthew 10:37,38
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
@ 1999-11-12 15:28 ` Gerald Leppert <gerald@postgresql.de>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Gerald Leppert @ 1999-11-12 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; pgsql-interfaces
Hi,
if you look for Links to PostgreSQL-Software, try the
www.postgresql.de -> Software
I've searched the Internet and wrote a list; not perfectly and complete,
but very many items and the Links should be correct.
Unfortunetally some descriptions are only in german... (If you've some
questions,
I can help you)
The main-sections, i used, are:
1. PostgreSQL-Standarddistribution = the Software in the official distribution
2. Erweiterungen für PostgreSQl, außerhalb der Distribution =
PostgreSQL-Enhancements outside the distro
3. Software für/for PostgreSQL
4. Projekte mit PostgreSQL = PostgreSQL-projects
4. Weitere Software für PostgreSQL finden = find another PostgreSQL-Software
5. PostgreSQL-Webhosting
I hope, my list is helpful. If something is wrong, please send me
corrections...
Bye
Gerald Leppert
Dave Page wrote:
> I agree that the site does need better links to software and related
> projects. I've just had a look at the site to remind myself, and it is very
> difficult to find things (as I recall I previously used to look at the
> listing of the additional software on the distribution CD if I wanted to
> know what else was out there).
>
> Perhaps 3 sections:
>
> Interfaces/APIs (ODBC, JDBC etc)
> Tools (pgAdmin, pgBash etc.)
> Application Software
>
> The third section is one I would be interested in. My staff and I are
> writing software for PostgreSQL that maybe of use to others, and I'm sure
> others must be doing the same (either commercial or open source - in fact if
> any has any financial ledgers...). I appreciate that the User Gallery is
> (intended as) a listing of what PostgreSQL is being used for/with, but
> perhaps a more moderated list of what people can actually download or buy
> would attract more potential users.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> Network & Systems Manager, The Vale Housing Association.
> http://www.vale-housing.co.uk (Work)
> http://www.pgadmin.freeserve.co.uk (Home of pgAdmin)
> Beer can be a permanent solution, but only if you have enough of it!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Byron Nikolaidis [mailto:byron.nikolaidis@home.com]
> > Sent: 12 November 1999 01:03
> > To: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org
> > Cc: The Hermit Hacker; Thomas Lockhart; Peter Mount; Dave Page
> > Subject: THE Postgres WEB SITE
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the Postgres
> > web site??
> >
> > For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin,
> > or the JDBC
> > driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on the
> > web site?
> >
> > If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
> > Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> > links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
> >
> > Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down drivers
> > and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
> >
> > I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver is???
> > Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
> >
> > "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows?
> > looked on
> > the
> > website and only found linux binaries and source."
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > Byron
> >
>
> ************
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* Re: [INTERFACES] RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
1999-11-12 08:53 RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
@ 1999-11-12 15:43 ` Gerald Leppert <gerald.leppert@fen.baynet.de>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Gerald Leppert @ 1999-11-12 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>; pgsql-interfaces
Hi,
if you look for Links to PostgreSQL-Software, try the
www.postgresql.de -> Software
I've searched the Internet and wrote a list; not perfectly and complete,
but very many items and the Links should be correct.
Unfortunetally some descriptions are only in german... (If you've some
questions,
I can help you)
The main-sections, i used, are:
1. PostgreSQL-Standarddistribution = the Software in the official
distribution
2. Erweiterungen für PostgreSQl, außerhalb der Distribution =
PostgreSQL-Enhancements outside the distro
3. Software für/for PostgreSQL
4. Projekte mit PostgreSQL = PostgreSQL-projects
4. Weitere Software für PostgreSQL finden = find another
PostgreSQL-Software
5. PostgreSQL-Webhosting
I hope, my list is helpful. If something is wrong, please send me
corrections...
Bye
Gerald Leppert
Dave Page wrote:
> I agree that the site does need better links to software and related
> projects. I've just had a look at the site to remind myself, and it is
> very
> difficult to find things (as I recall I previously used to look at the
>
> listing of the additional software on the distribution CD if I wanted
> to
> know what else was out there).
>
> Perhaps 3 sections:
>
> Interfaces/APIs (ODBC, JDBC etc)
> Tools (pgAdmin, pgBash etc.)
> Application Software
>
> The third section is one I would be interested in. My staff and I are
> writing software for PostgreSQL that maybe of use to others, and I'm
> sure
> others must be doing the same (either commercial or open source - in
> fact if
> any has any financial ledgers...). I appreciate that the User Gallery
> is
> (intended as) a listing of what PostgreSQL is being used for/with, but
>
> perhaps a more moderated list of what people can actually download or
> buy
> would attract more potential users.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> Network & Systems Manager, The Vale Housing Association.
> http://www.vale-housing.co.uk (Work)
> http://www.pgadmin.freeserve.co.uk (Home of pgAdmin)
> Beer can be a permanent solution, but only if you have enough of it!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Byron Nikolaidis [mailto:byron.nikolaidis@home.com]
> > Sent: 12 November 1999 01:03
> > To: pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org
> > Cc: The Hermit Hacker; Thomas Lockhart; Peter Mount; Dave Page
> > Subject: THE Postgres WEB SITE
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it just me, or is it very difficult to find things on the
> Postgres
> > web site??
> >
> > For example, I would like to download Pgaccess, or PgAdmin,
> > or the JDBC
> > driver, yet there are no links that I can find to these things on
> the
> > web site?
> >
> > If a person needs the odbc or jdbc driver, or *ANY* interface to the
>
> > Postgres database, one would think he should be able to find it (or
> > links to it) from the main Postgres site, right?
> >
> > Why put people through the aggravation of trying to hunt down
> drivers
> > and so forth? We do want to attract users don't we?
> >
> > I get at least 3 or 4 emails a day asking where the odbc driver
> is???
> > Usually it reads something like this one that I just got:
> >
> > "Where can I get the latest Postgres ODBC client for windows?
> > looked on
> > the
> > website and only found linux binaries and source."
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > Byron
> >
>
> ************
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* RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
@ 1999-11-12 15:33 Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 1999-11-12 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'The Hermit Hacker' <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: 'Byron Nikolaidis' <byron.nikolaidis@home.com>; pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org, Thomas Lockhart <lockhart@alumni.caltech.edu>; Jeff MacDonald <jeff@hub.org>; Peter Mount <petermount@it.maidstone.gov.uk>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Hermit Hacker [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
> Sent: 12 November 1999 13:38
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: 'Byron Nikolaidis'; pgsql-interfaces@postgreSQL.org; Thomas
> Lockhart; Jeff MacDonald; Peter Mount
> Subject: RE: THE Postgres WEB SITE
<snip>
> Jeff has been working on cleaning up the User Gallery listing
> to get rid
> of the cruft...but...
>
> If I were to sit down this weekend and write up an
> "Applications" listings
> page, what fields should be included? This is the biggest
> problem I have
> with doing this, I never know what all should be included :(
>
> If someone wants to make me a form that looks good and is
> complete, I'll
> do up the backend coding and setup the databases for this...I
> can write
> code, but I'm *terrible* at doing visuals ...
How automated would this be? I would suggest that all updates to the listing
are done by yourself (or whoever else may be a PostgreSQL webmaster) and
that any form on the site is merely a mail form. This way all the
'Applications' (as opposed to systems that are specific to a particular user
or site) can be listed in a standardised format, have any links verified and
be generally checked for suitability for inclusion.
I see this section as being a listing of quality applications rather than a
list that anyone can add their two field address book to (no offence toward
any address book vendors intended!).
Suggested fields:
Application Name
Application Function (eg. Financial Ledger, Helldesk etc.)
Application Description
Platform(s) (Win32, Solaris etc.)
Written In (Visual Basic, TCL etc.)
Interface (ODBC, JDBC etc.)
Company Name (optional)
Contact Name
Contact Email
Contact Phone (optional)
Regards,
Dave.
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