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* Problems with + 1 million record table
@ 2007-10-05 14:34 Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
  2007-10-05 15:01 ` Re: Problems with + 1 million record table Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  2007-10-05 16:38 ` Re: Problems with + 1 million record table Arjen van der Meijden <acmmailing@tweakers.net>
  2007-10-05 17:45 ` Re: Problems with + 1 million record table Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Cláudia Macedo Amorim @ 2007-10-05 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-performance

I'm new in PostGreSQL and I need some help.
I have a table with ~2 million records. Queries in this table are too slow and some are not completed.I think it must be a simple question to solve but, I'm trying without success. I'm worried because next week I will need to work with tables with ~100 million records.I'm using:O.S.: Windows XP;PostgreSQL 8.2;Index type: btree.I have 2 GB of RAM.
POSTGRESQL XXX.LOG:

<2007-10-05 09:01:42%SELECT> LOG:  could not send data to client: Unknown winsock error 10061
<2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  could not receive data from client: Unknown winsock error 10061
<2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  unexpected EOF on client connection


PSQLODBC.LOG:

[13236.470]                 ------------------------------------------------------------
[13236.470]                 hdbc=02DE3008, stmt=02C7B1A8, result=02C791D0
[13236.470]                 prepare=0, internal=0
[13236.470]                 bindings=32090580, bindings_allocated=20
[13236.470]                 parameters=00000000, parameters_allocated=0
[13236.470]                 statement_type=0, statement='select 

a_teste_nestle."CODCLI",

a_teste_nestle."CODFAB",

a_teste_nestle."CODFAMILIANESTLE",

a_teste_nestle."CODFILIAL",

a_teste_nestle."CODGRUPONESTLE",

a_teste_nestle."CODSUBGRUPONESTLE",

a_teste_nestle."CONDVENDA",

a_teste_nestle."DATA",

a_teste_nestle."DESCRICAO",

a_teste_nestle."PESO",

a_teste_nestle."PRACA",

a_teste_nestle."PUNIT",

a_teste_nestle."PVENDA",

a_teste_nestle."QT",

a_teste_nestle."QTITVENDIDOS",

a_teste_nestle."QTPESOPREV",

a_teste_nestle."QTVENDAPREV",

a_teste_nestle."SUPERVISOR",

a_teste_nestle."VENDEDOR",

a_teste_nestle."VLVENDAPREV"

from a_teste_nestle 

 

'
[13236.486]                 stmt_with_params='select 
a_teste_nestle."CODCLI",
a_teste_nestle."CODFAB",
a_teste_nestle."CODFAMILIANESTLE",
a_teste_nestle."CODFILIAL",
a_teste_nestle."CODGRUPONESTLE",
a_teste_nestle."CODSUBGRUPONESTLE",
a_teste_nestle."CONDVENDA",
a_teste_nestle."DATA",
a_teste_nestle."DESCRICAO",
a_teste_nestle."PESO",
a_teste_nestle."PRACA",
a_teste_nestle."PUNIT",
a_teste_nestle."PVENDA",
a_teste_nestle."QT",
a_teste_nestle."QTITVENDIDOS",
a_teste_nestle."QTPESOPREV",
a_teste_nestle."QTVENDAPREV",
a_teste_nestle."SUPERVISOR",
a_teste_nestle."VENDEDOR",
a_teste_nestle."VLVENDAPREV"
from a_teste_nestle 

'
[13236.486]                 data_at_exec=-1, current_exec_param=-1, put_data=0
[13236.501]                 currTuple=-1, current_col=-1, lobj_fd=-1
[13236.501]                 maxRows=0, rowset_size=1, keyset_size=0, cursor_type=0, scroll_concurrency=1
[13236.501]                 cursor_name='SQL_CUR02C7B1A8'
[13236.501]                 ----------------QResult Info -------------------------------
[13236.501]                 fields=02C7C9B8, backend_tuples=00000000, tupleField=0, conn=02DE3008
[13236.501]                 fetch_count=0, num_total_rows=819200, num_fields=20, cursor='(NULL)'
[13236.501]                 message='Out of memory while reading tuples.', command='(NULL)', notice='(NULL)'
[13236.501]                 status=7, inTuples=1
[13236.501]CONN ERROR: func=SC_execute, desc='(null)', errnum=109, errmsg='Out of memory while reading tuples.'
[13236.517]            ------------------------------------------------------------
[13236.517]            henv=02C727B8, conn=02DE3008, status=1, num_stmts=16
[13236.517]            sock=02DD3120, stmts=02DD8EE8, lobj_type=17288
[13236.517]            ---------------- Socket Info -------------------------------
[13236.517]            socket=512, reverse=0, errornumber=0, errormsg='(NULL)'
[13236.517]            buffer_in=46642688, buffer_out=46633712
[13236.517]            buffer_filled_in=4096, buffer_filled_out=0, buffer_read_in=3426
[63860.095]conn=02DE3008, PGAPI_Disconnect
[63880.251]conn=02C73A78, PGAPI_Disconnect








POSTGRESQL.CONF:



#---------------------------------------------------------------------------
# RESOURCE USAGE (except WAL)
#---------------------------------------------------------------------------

# - Memory -

shared_buffers = 512MB   # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB
     # (change requires restart)
temp_buffers = 32MB   # min 800kB
#max_prepared_transactions = 5  # can be 0 or more
     # (change requires restart)
# Note: increasing max_prepared_transactions costs ~600 bytes of shared memory
# per transaction slot, plus lock space (see max_locks_per_transaction).
work_mem = 256MB    # min 64kB
maintenance_work_mem = 128MB  # min 1MB
#max_stack_depth = 2MB   # min 100kB

# - Free Space Map -

max_fsm_pages = 409600  # min max_fsm_relations*16, 6 bytes each
     # (change requires restart)
#max_fsm_relations = 1000  # min 100, ~70 bytes each
     # (change requires restart)




The table structure is:

CREATE TABLE "public"."a_teste_nestle" (
  "DATA" TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE, 
  "CODCLI" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "VENDEDOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "SUPERVISOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "CODFILIAL" VARCHAR(2), 
  "PRACA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "CONDVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "QTITVENDIDOS" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "PVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "PESO" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "CODPROD" VARCHAR(15), 
  "CODFAB" VARCHAR(15), 
  "DESCRICAO" VARCHAR(80), 
  "CODGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "CODSUBGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "CODFAMILIANESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "QTPESOPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "QTVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "VLVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "QT" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
  "PUNIT" DOUBLE PRECISION
) WITHOUT OIDS;

CREATE INDEX "a_teste_nestle_idx" ON "public"."a_teste_nestle"
  USING btree ("DATA");


Thanks,



_________________________
Cláudia Macedo Amorim
Consultora de Desenvolvimento
PC Sistemas - www.pcsist.com.br
(62) 3250-0200
claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br

 
Auto Serviço WinThor: um novo conceito em tecnologia, segurança e agilidade.

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* Re: Problems with + 1 million record table
  2007-10-05 14:34 Problems with + 1 million record table Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
@ 2007-10-05 15:01 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Scott Marlowe @ 2007-10-05 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On 10/5/07, Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br> wrote:
>
> I'm new in PostGreSQL and I need some help.
>
> I have a table with ~2 million records. Queries in this table are too slow
> and some are not completed.
> I think it must be a simple question to solve but, I'm trying without
> success. I'm worried because next week I will need to work with tables
> with ~100 million records.
>
> I'm using:
> O.S.: Windows XP;
> PostgreSQL 8.2;
> Index type: btree.
>
> I have 2 GB of RAM.
>
> POSTGRESQL XXX.LOG:
>
> <2007-10-05 09:01:42%SELECT> LOG:  could not send data to client: Unknown
> winsock error 10061
> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  could not receive data from client: Unknown
> winsock error 10061
> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  unexpected EOF on client connection

This looks like your client is dying on receiving too much data.  You
can either try to fix the client to handle more data, which isn't the
best way to proceed, or you can retrieve your data with a cursor a
chunk at a time.

> PSQLODBC.LOG:
> [13236.501]CONN ERROR: func=SC_execute, desc='(null)', errnum=109,
> errmsg='Out of memory while reading tuples.'

Assuming this is the client side error, yes, you're simply reading too
many rows at once.

> POSTGRESQL.CONF:
> shared_buffers = 512MB   # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB

Reasonable for  a machine with 2 G ram.

> work_mem = 256MB    # min 64kB

If and only if you have one or two users, this is ok.  Otherwise it's
a bit high.

Take a look at cursors, here's the declare ref page:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/sql-declare.html



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* Re: Problems with + 1 million record table
  2007-10-05 14:34 Problems with + 1 million record table Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
@ 2007-10-05 16:38 ` Arjen van der Meijden <acmmailing@tweakers.net>
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Arjen van der Meijden @ 2007-10-05 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On 5-10-2007 16:34 Cláudia Macedo Amorim wrote:
> [13236.470]                 statement_type=0, statement='select
> a_teste_nestle."CODCLI",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAB",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAMILIANESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFILIAL",
> a_teste_nestle."CODGRUPONESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CODSUBGRUPONESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CONDVENDA",
> a_teste_nestle."DATA",
> a_teste_nestle."DESCRICAO",
> a_teste_nestle."PESO",
> a_teste_nestle."PRACA",
> a_teste_nestle."PUNIT",
> a_teste_nestle."PVENDA",
> a_teste_nestle."QT",
> a_teste_nestle."QTITVENDIDOS",
> a_teste_nestle."QTPESOPREV",
> a_teste_nestle."QTVENDAPREV",
> a_teste_nestle."SUPERVISOR",
> a_teste_nestle."VENDEDOR",
> a_teste_nestle."VLVENDAPREV"
> from a_teste_nestle
>  
> '

Is that the entire query? Are you sure you really want to select the 
entire table without having a where-clause? That's normally not a very 
scalable aproach...

Best regards,

Arjen



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* Re: Problems with + 1 million record table
  2007-10-05 14:34 Problems with + 1 million record table Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
@ 2007-10-05 17:45 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
  2007-10-06 01:19   ` Re: Problems with + 1 million record table Shane Ambler <pgsql@Sheeky.Biz>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread

From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2007-10-05 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

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Cláudia Macedo Amorim wrote:
> I'm new in PostGreSQL and I need some help.
> I have a table with ~2 million records. Queries in this table are too slow and some are not completed.I think it must be a simple question to solve but, I'm trying without success. I'm worried because next week I will need to work with tables with ~100 million records.I'm using:O.S.: Windows XP;PostgreSQL 8.2;Index type: btree.I have 2 GB of RAM.
> POSTGRESQL XXX.LOG:
> 
> <2007-10-05 09:01:42%SELECT> LOG:  could not send data to client: Unknown winsock error 10061
> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  could not receive data from client: Unknown winsock error 10061
> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  unexpected EOF on client connection


You are not providing a where clause which means you are scanning all 2
million records. If you need to do that, do it in a cursor.


Joshua D. Drake



> 
> 
> PSQLODBC.LOG:
> 
> [13236.470]                 ------------------------------------------------------------
> [13236.470]                 hdbc=02DE3008, stmt=02C7B1A8, result=02C791D0
> [13236.470]                 prepare=0, internal=0
> [13236.470]                 bindings=32090580, bindings_allocated=20
> [13236.470]                 parameters=00000000, parameters_allocated=0
> [13236.470]                 statement_type=0, statement='select 
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODCLI",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAB",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAMILIANESTLE",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODFILIAL",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODGRUPONESTLE",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CODSUBGRUPONESTLE",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."CONDVENDA",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."DATA",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."DESCRICAO",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."PESO",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."PRACA",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."PUNIT",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."PVENDA",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."QT",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."QTITVENDIDOS",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."QTPESOPREV",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."QTVENDAPREV",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."SUPERVISOR",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."VENDEDOR",
> 
> a_teste_nestle."VLVENDAPREV"
> 
> from a_teste_nestle 
> 
>  
> 
> '
> [13236.486]                 stmt_with_params='select 
> a_teste_nestle."CODCLI",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAB",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFAMILIANESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CODFILIAL",
> a_teste_nestle."CODGRUPONESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CODSUBGRUPONESTLE",
> a_teste_nestle."CONDVENDA",
> a_teste_nestle."DATA",
> a_teste_nestle."DESCRICAO",
> a_teste_nestle."PESO",
> a_teste_nestle."PRACA",
> a_teste_nestle."PUNIT",
> a_teste_nestle."PVENDA",
> a_teste_nestle."QT",
> a_teste_nestle."QTITVENDIDOS",
> a_teste_nestle."QTPESOPREV",
> a_teste_nestle."QTVENDAPREV",
> a_teste_nestle."SUPERVISOR",
> a_teste_nestle."VENDEDOR",
> a_teste_nestle."VLVENDAPREV"
> from a_teste_nestle 
> 
> '
> [13236.486]                 data_at_exec=-1, current_exec_param=-1, put_data=0
> [13236.501]                 currTuple=-1, current_col=-1, lobj_fd=-1
> [13236.501]                 maxRows=0, rowset_size=1, keyset_size=0, cursor_type=0, scroll_concurrency=1
> [13236.501]                 cursor_name='SQL_CUR02C7B1A8'
> [13236.501]                 ----------------QResult Info -------------------------------
> [13236.501]                 fields=02C7C9B8, backend_tuples=00000000, tupleField=0, conn=02DE3008
> [13236.501]                 fetch_count=0, num_total_rows=819200, num_fields=20, cursor='(NULL)'
> [13236.501]                 message='Out of memory while reading tuples.', command='(NULL)', notice='(NULL)'
> [13236.501]                 status=7, inTuples=1
> [13236.501]CONN ERROR: func=SC_execute, desc='(null)', errnum=109, errmsg='Out of memory while reading tuples.'
> [13236.517]            ------------------------------------------------------------
> [13236.517]            henv=02C727B8, conn=02DE3008, status=1, num_stmts=16
> [13236.517]            sock=02DD3120, stmts=02DD8EE8, lobj_type=17288
> [13236.517]            ---------------- Socket Info -------------------------------
> [13236.517]            socket=512, reverse=0, errornumber=0, errormsg='(NULL)'
> [13236.517]            buffer_in=46642688, buffer_out=46633712
> [13236.517]            buffer_filled_in=4096, buffer_filled_out=0, buffer_read_in=3426
> [63860.095]conn=02DE3008, PGAPI_Disconnect
> [63880.251]conn=02C73A78, PGAPI_Disconnect
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> POSTGRESQL.CONF:
> 
> 
> 
> #---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> # RESOURCE USAGE (except WAL)
> #---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> # - Memory -
> 
> shared_buffers = 512MB   # min 128kB or max_connections*16kB
>      # (change requires restart)
> temp_buffers = 32MB   # min 800kB
> #max_prepared_transactions = 5  # can be 0 or more
>      # (change requires restart)
> # Note: increasing max_prepared_transactions costs ~600 bytes of shared memory
> # per transaction slot, plus lock space (see max_locks_per_transaction).
> work_mem = 256MB    # min 64kB
> maintenance_work_mem = 128MB  # min 1MB
> #max_stack_depth = 2MB   # min 100kB
> 
> # - Free Space Map -
> 
> max_fsm_pages = 409600  # min max_fsm_relations*16, 6 bytes each
>      # (change requires restart)
> #max_fsm_relations = 1000  # min 100, ~70 bytes each
>      # (change requires restart)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The table structure is:
> 
> CREATE TABLE "public"."a_teste_nestle" (
>   "DATA" TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE, 
>   "CODCLI" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "VENDEDOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "SUPERVISOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "CODFILIAL" VARCHAR(2), 
>   "PRACA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "CONDVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "QTITVENDIDOS" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "PVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "PESO" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "CODPROD" VARCHAR(15), 
>   "CODFAB" VARCHAR(15), 
>   "DESCRICAO" VARCHAR(80), 
>   "CODGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "CODSUBGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "CODFAMILIANESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "QTPESOPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "QTVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "VLVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "QT" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>   "PUNIT" DOUBLE PRECISION
> ) WITHOUT OIDS;
> 
> CREATE INDEX "a_teste_nestle_idx" ON "public"."a_teste_nestle"
>   USING btree ("DATA");
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> _________________________
> Cláudia Macedo Amorim
> Consultora de Desenvolvimento
> PC Sistemas - www.pcsist.com.br
> (62) 3250-0200
> claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br
> 
>  
> Auto Serviço WinThor: um novo conceito em tecnologia, segurança e agilidade.


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* Re: Problems with + 1 million record table
  2007-10-05 14:34 Problems with + 1 million record table Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
  2007-10-05 17:45 ` Re: Problems with + 1 million record table Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2007-10-06 01:19   ` Shane Ambler <pgsql@Sheeky.Biz>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Shane Ambler @ 2007-10-06 01:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>; pgsql-performance

Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Cláudia Macedo Amorim wrote:
>> I'm new in PostGreSQL and I need some help.
>> I have a table with ~2 million records. Queries in this table are too slow and some are not completed.I think it must be a simple question to solve but, I'm trying without success. I'm worried because next week I will need to work with tables with ~100 million records.I'm using:O.S.: Windows XP;PostgreSQL 8.2;Index type: btree.I have 2 GB of RAM.
>> POSTGRESQL XXX.LOG:
>>
>> <2007-10-05 09:01:42%SELECT> LOG:  could not send data to client: Unknown winsock error 10061
>> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  could not receive data from client: Unknown winsock error 10061
>> <2007-10-05 09:03:03%idle> LOG:  unexpected EOF on client connection
> 
> 
> You are not providing a where clause which means you are scanning all 2
> million records. If you need to do that, do it in a cursor.
> 
> 
> Joshua D. Drake
> 
> 

I would also add that if you want to use anything other than the data 
column in the where clause you should add an index to those columns as well.

>>
>> The table structure is:
>>
>> CREATE TABLE "public"."a_teste_nestle" (
>>   "DATA" TIMESTAMP WITH TIME ZONE, 
>>   "CODCLI" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "VENDEDOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "SUPERVISOR" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "CODFILIAL" VARCHAR(2), 
>>   "PRACA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "CONDVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "QTITVENDIDOS" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "PVENDA" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "PESO" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "CODPROD" VARCHAR(15), 
>>   "CODFAB" VARCHAR(15), 
>>   "DESCRICAO" VARCHAR(80), 
>>   "CODGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "CODSUBGRUPONESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "CODFAMILIANESTLE" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "QTPESOPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "QTVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "VLVENDAPREV" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "QT" DOUBLE PRECISION, 
>>   "PUNIT" DOUBLE PRECISION
>> ) WITHOUT OIDS;
>>
>> CREATE INDEX "a_teste_nestle_idx" ON "public"."a_teste_nestle"
>>   USING btree ("DATA");
>>
>>
>> Thanks,


-- 

Shane Ambler
pgSQL@Sheeky.Biz

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2007-10-05 14:34 Problems with + 1 million record table Cláudia Macedo Amorim <claudia.amorim@pcinformatica.com.br>
2007-10-05 15:01 ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
2007-10-05 16:38 ` Arjen van der Meijden <acmmailing@tweakers.net>
2007-10-05 17:45 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2007-10-06 01:19   ` Shane Ambler <pgsql@Sheeky.Biz>

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