Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731499FA4CF for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:25:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93193-01 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:25:38 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from mail.ecircle.de (mail.ecircle.de [195.140.186.200]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB709FA3B1 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:25:37 -0300 (ADT) Received: from einstein.muc.ecircle.de (unknown [192.168.1.7]) by mail.ecircle.de (READY) with ESMTP id 2341B55C026; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:25:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.91] ([192.168.1.91]) by einstein.muc.ecircle.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:20:08 +0200 Subject: Re: [PERFORM] Hints proposal From: Csaba Nagy To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: postgres hackers In-Reply-To: <20061013140915.GC31912@phlogiston.dyndns.org> References: <20061012174503.GA29203@phlogiston.dyndns.org> <20061013140915.GC31912@phlogiston.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1160749207.28751.115.camel@coppola.muc.ecircle.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:20:08 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2006 14:20:08.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF91D230:01C6EED2] X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.174 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200610/750 X-Sequence-Number: 92647 > And remember, the places where PostgreSQL is getting used most > heavily are still the sort of environments where people will take a > lot of short cuts to achieve an immediate result, and be annoyed when > that short cut later turns out to have been expensive. Postgres will > get a black eye from that ("Too hard to manage! Upgrades cause all > sorts of breakage!"). Those guys will do their shortcuts anyway, and possibly reject postgres as not suitable even before that if they can't take any shortcuts. And upgrades are always causing breakage, I didn't have one upgrade without some things to fix, so I would expect people is expecting that. And that's true for Oracle too, our oracle guys always have something to fix after an upgrade. And I repeat, I always had something to fix for postgres too on all upgrades I've done till now. Cheers, Csaba.