X-Original-To: pgsql-general-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE11542F5; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24177-02; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:26:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [67.100.216.10]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825E6542F1; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:26:52 -0300 (ADT) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D94BB154BE; Tue, 10 May 2005 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:26:52 -0500 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Tom Lane Cc: Neil Conway , Christopher Petrilli , Ying Lu , pgsql-general@postgresql.org, pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] "Hash index" vs. "b-tree index" (PostgreSQL Message-ID: <20050510172652.GF31103@decibel.org> References: <427F757A.8000407@samurai.com> <59d991c405050908271b55e673@mail.gmail.com> <427F8321.5030702@samurai.com> <20050509163423.GH35026@decibel.org> <427F9211.2090008@samurai.com> <20050509165133.GJ35026@decibel.org> <427FFCD3.1010803@samurai.com> <4407.1115698257@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20050510153927.GB31103@decibel.org> <594.1115740190@sss.pgh.pa.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <594.1115740190@sss.pgh.pa.us> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.007 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200505/496 X-Sequence-Number: 77844 On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 11:49:50AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > "Jim C. Nasby" writes: > > What's the challange to making it adaptive, comming up with an algorithm > > that gives you the optimal bucket size (which I would think there's > > research on...) or allowing the index to accommodate different bucket > > sizes existing in the index at once? (Presumably you don't want to > > re-write the entire index every time it looks like a different bucket > > size would help.) > > Exactly. That's (a) expensive and (b) really hard to fit into the WAL > paradigm --- I think we could only handle it as a REINDEX. So if it > were adaptive at all I think we'd have to support multiple bucket sizes > existing simultaneously in the index, and I do not see a good way to do > that. I'm not really familiar enough with hash indexes to know if this would work, but if the maximum bucket size was known you could use that to determine a maximum range of buckets to look at. In some cases, that range would include only one bucket, otherwise it would be a set of buckets. If you found a set of buckets, I think you could then just go to the specific one you need. If we assume that the maximum bucket size is one page it becomes more realistic to take an existing large bucket and split it into several smaller ones. This could be done on an update to the index page, or a background process could handle it. In any case, should this go on the TODO list? > Allowing a bucket size to be specified at CREATE INDEX doesn't seem out > of line though. We'd have to think up a scheme for index-AM-specific > index parameters ... -- Jim C. Nasby, Database Consultant decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828 Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?"