X-Original-To: pgsql-performance-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68449FA2FA for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:36:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04909-07 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:36:00 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from candle.pha.pa.us (candle.pha.pa.us [70.90.9.53]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9E69FA1B0 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:36:00 -0300 (ADT) Received: (from pgman@localhost) by candle.pha.pa.us (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4AEZxc13602; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Momjian Message-Id: <200605101435.k4AEZxc13602@candle.pha.pa.us> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid In-Reply-To: <29EA6D53-F41E-4A09-B5CA-EFD182AB9772@khera.org> To: Vivek Khera Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) CC: "Pgsql-Performance ((E-mail))" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200605/247 X-Sequence-Number: 19034 Vivek Khera wrote: > > On May 10, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Greg Stark wrote: > > > Well, dollar for dollar you would get the best performance from > > slower drives > > anyways since it would give you more spindles. 15kRPM drives are > > *expensive*. > > Personally, I don't care that much for "dollar for dollar" I just > need performance. If it is within a factor of 2 or 3 in price then > I'll go for absolute performance over "bang for the buck". That is really the issue. You can buy lots of consumer-grade stuff and work just fine if your performance/reliability tolerance is high enough. However, don't fool yourself that consumer and server-grade hardware is internally the same, or has the same testing. I just had a Toshiba laptop drive replaced last week (new, not refurbished), only to have it fail this week. Obviously there isn't sufficient burn-in done by Toshiba, and I don't fault them because it is a consumer laptop --- it fails, they replace it. For servers, the downtime usually can't be tolerated, while consumers usually can tolerate significant downtime. I have always purchased server-grade hardware for my home server, and I think I have had one day of hardware downtime in the past ten years. Consumer hardware just couldn't do that. As one data point, most consumer-grade IDE drives are designed to be run only 8 hours a day. The engineering doesn't anticipate 24-hour operation, and that trade-off passes all the way through the selection of componients for the drive, which generates sigificant cost savings. -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +