Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909D99FB4C6; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:56:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08817-06; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:56:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B929FA27F; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:56:01 -0300 (ADT) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [64.81.245.111] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO [192.168.1.27]) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 10323889; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:59:32 -0700 From: Josh Berkus Reply-To: josh@agliodbs.com Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: "Jim C. Nasby" Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Hints proposal Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:57:23 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, pgsql-performance@postgresql.org References: <20061012151439.GT28647@nasby.net> <200610121358.22739.josh@agliodbs.com> <20061013161614.GT28647@nasby.net> In-Reply-To: <20061013161614.GT28647@nasby.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610131557.24420.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200610/273 X-Sequence-Number: 21402 Jim, > Well, that's not what I said (my point being that until the planner and > stats are perfect you need a way to over-ride them)... but I've also > never said hints would be faster or easier than stats modification (I > said I hope they would). Yes, you did. Repeatedly. On this and other threads, you've made the statement at least three times that per-query hints are the only way to go for 8.3. Your insistence on this view has been so strident that if I didn't know you better, I would assume some kind of hidden agenda. Stop harping on the "per-query hints are the true way and the only way", or prepare to have people start simply ignoring you. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco