Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4C49FA380 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:15:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29744-06 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:15:42 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA059FA192 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:15:41 -0400 (AST) Received: from osgiliath.mathom.us ([71.246.251.8]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J9S00HAKVDFC1S2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:15:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by osgiliath.mathom.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DDA7093C for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from osgiliath.mathom.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osgiliath.home.mathom.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7VKCof+0W2Yb for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by osgiliath.mathom.us (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CBE70709C1; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:15:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:15:09 -0500 From: Michael Stone Subject: Re: Bad iostat numbers In-reply-to: <33c6269f0612042221x5820e98bl96f8d0dc4a87bd3f@mail.gmail.com> To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Mail-followup-to: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Message-id: <20061205121507.GZ1622@mathom.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mathom.us X-Pgp-Fingerprint: 53 FF 38 00 E7 DD 0A 9C 84 52 84 C5 EE DF 7C 88 References: <33c6269f0612032317t9f0bc77n3ff791a5cd88fc80@mail.gmail.com> <33c6269f0612042221x5820e98bl96f8d0dc4a87bd3f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200612/73 X-Sequence-Number: 22129 On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 01:21:38AM -0500, Alex Turner wrote: >My other and most important point is that I can't find any solid >recommendations for a SCSI card that can perform optimally in Linux or >*BSD. Off by a factor of 3x is pretty sad IMHO. (and yes, we know the >Adaptec cards suck worse, that doesn't bring us to a _good_ card). This gets back to my point about terminology. As a SCSI HBA the Adaptec is decent: I can sustain about 300MB/s off a single channel of the 39320A using an external RAID controller. As a RAID controller I can't even imagine using the Adaptec; I'm fairly certain they put that "functionality" on there just so they could charge more for the card. It may be that there's not much market for on-board SCSI RAID controllers; between SATA on the low end and SAS & FC on the high end, there isn't a whole lotta space left for SCSI. I definitely don't think much R&D is going into SCSI controllers any more, compared to other solutions like SATA or SAS RAID (the 39320 hasn't change in at least 3 years, IIRC). Anyway, since the Adaptec part is a decent SCSI controller and a lousy RAID controller, have you tried just using software RAID? Mike Stone