Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231029FBE1C for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:28:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13565-02 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:28:53 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: delayed 00:30:37.762227 by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from svr4.postgresql.org (svr4.postgresql.org [66.98.251.159]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47B29FBE52 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:28:55 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.3 Received: from smtp-relay00.all-connect.net (smtp-relay00.all-connect.net [80.254.132.227]) by svr4.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637185AF02A for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:58:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [87.173.234.169] (helo=hugomobil.local) by smtp-relay00.all-connect.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50 #1) id 1I14RT-0006gs-FJ for pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:58:07 +0200 From: Anastasios Hatzis Organization: HATZIS Edelstahlbearbeitung GmbH To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org Subject: Re: On managerial choosing (was: Postgres VS Oracle) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:57:58 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <603b0odl5i.fsf@dba2.int.libertyrms.com> <20070620144810.GO31426@phlogiston.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20070620144810.GO31426@phlogiston.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2807329.QKjHaF9xNU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200706201958.03510.ah@hatzis.de> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200706/236 X-Sequence-Number: 11285 --nextPart2807329.QKjHaF9xNU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:22:17AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote: > > In cases where you *do not* spend the BPOM, there is not any > > particular evidence available to indicate that Oracle is, in any > > interesting way, more reliable than PostgreSQL. > > I hate to say this, but as true as the above is, it has very close to > zero relevance to the way most senior managers make decisions. [...] I also hate to say this, but I fully agree with whatever you wrote in this= =20 mail. [...] > much money you have to spend, and how risky it would be to tie that > up in Oracle licenses. In some cases, that turns out to be too risky, > and Postgres becomes a viable choice. It's only exceptionally > visionary senior managers who operate in other ways. Yes, maybe 10 out of 100. Likely less. [...] > addicted to the excellent features of PostgreSQL, though. The second > is that marketing to management by using arguments, listing lots of > technical detail and features, and the like, will never work. > They'll ignore such cluttered and crowded brochures, because they > don't deal in technical detail. We have to make PostgreSQL a > low-risk choice for them. I wonder if this is something which really is a job of the core team or=20 community (I think of the 'traditional' PG users who are more technically=20 focussed and maybe not enthusiastic about too much CIO/CTO flavored=20 communication). Actually this kind of communication looks to me like to be= =20 perfectly done by commercial PG vendors? Anastasios --nextPart2807329.QKjHaF9xNU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUARnlqp5xwYjAZiPWNAQJ19gP9ETe8AA58mNyIO5szxqNLD87ORPbJ7RoB g+sYtZcR3dtciIIt+mG1WOqyGgN4J9i0ExHFEQt0t64cZNsAKUnTw1FSL/LzP8Tk ofa0SP2V3iNsueIGvIZ7BLf8V9okhAZ4a6ekgdQ0147nWH4j4TdNikSWfQWHwyLb jjKyQCH6qoA= =aGlo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2807329.QKjHaF9xNU--