Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882109FA25A for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:05:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75713-07-2 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:05:05 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49FB9F9CEB for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:05:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from osgiliath.mathom.us ([96.231.24.225]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JNZ00DOPTCGLUS3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:05:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by osgiliath.mathom.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628771F814 for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osgiliath.mathom.us ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osgiliath.home.mathom.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RLuujTcO7b3Y for ; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by osgiliath.mathom.us (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9639A1F80D; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:04:49 -0400 From: Michael Stone Subject: Re: SAN vs Internal Disks In-reply-to: To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Mail-followup-to: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Message-id: <20070907100446.GE1795@mathom.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mathom.us X-Pgp-Fingerprint: 53 FF 38 00 E7 DD 0A 9C 84 52 84 C5 EE DF 7C 88 References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200709/120 X-Sequence-Number: 26665 On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:26:23AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: >consider is this: your SAN starts having funky problems, and your >database is down because of it. You call the vendor. They find out >you're running CentOS instead of RHEL and say that's the cause of your >problem (even though it probably isn't). How much will such a passing the >buck problem cost your company? If it's a significant number, you'd be >foolish to run CentOS instead of the real RHEL. Some SAN vendors can be >very, very picky about what they will support, and for most business >environments the RHEL subscription isn't so expensive that it's worth >wandering into an area where your support situation is fuzzy just to save >that money. Correct. Far more sensible to skip the expensive SAN solution, not worry about having to play games, and save *even more* money. SANs have their place, but postgres storage generally isn't it; you'll get more bang/buck with DAS and very likely better absolute performance as well. SANs make sense if you're doing a shared filesystem (don't even think about doing this with postgres), or if you're consolidating backups & DR (which doesn't work especially well with databases). Mike Stone