Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:00:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
To: Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>
cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org>
Subject: Re: off-topic: SPAM
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'k, just checked and yes, we have blocked one Brazil domain in the past=20
because of this issue:

subscribe
deny,  reason=3D"uol.com.br requires non-spam confirmation .. "
/@uol.com.br/i || /Moniquechristien@cs.com/i

So we could add similar ... but, the question comes back to if they have a=
=20
spam confirmation required, how is email getting to them in order to=20
subscribe them in the first place?  The only way I can think of is that=20
this is a feature that has been added *since* they registered ...

If someone wants to write up a nice form letter, I can send out an=20
individual message to each user in the *.br domain, and for each that=20
bounce back with a 'confirmation required', remove them ... but I'm not=20
sure if it makes much sense to go through the confirm and see if they can=
=20
work around the issue ...

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Gregory Stark wrote:
>
>> "Alvaro Herrera" <alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org> writes:
>>=20
>>> Marc G. Fournier escribi=F3:
>>>>=20
>>>> where are the reports going to?  am I missing off a list somewhere?
>>>>=20
>>>> of course, your response really didn't enlighten me any ... what is the
>>>> problem that is being seen / reported ?
>>>=20
>>> The problem is that any time some posts to pgsql-performance he gets a
>>> bounce from a postmaster in infotecnica.com.br domain.
>>>=20
>>> It has been reported in several lists:
>>>=20
>>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2007-12/msg00203.php
>>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2007-12/msg00697.php
>>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-performance/2007-12/msg00126.php
>>=20
>> The only way we're going to solve this is to send a personalized email to
>> every subscriber of pgsql-performance. We might be able to get away with=
=20
>> just
>> doing brazilian subscribers first and hope it's one of those.
>
> That would only be 42 email addresses, so not *too* painful, but if their=
=20
> email requires a 'challenge-response' to send to them, how did they get=
=20
> subscribed in the first place, as our subscribe method is=20
> 'challenge-response' also, which means they have to receive the email we =
send=20
> to them automaticalloy in the first place ...
>
> So, are these a result of forwarding, vs direct subscription?=