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* Postgres using more memory than it should
@ 2008-12-03 16:01 Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:14 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Bill Moran <wmoran@collaborativefusion.com>
  2008-12-03 16:25 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should tv@fuzzy.cz
  2008-12-03 17:53 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Matthew Wakeling @ 2008-12-03 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-performance


Hi. I have a problem on one of our production servers. A fairly 
complicated query is running, and the backend process is using 30 GB of 
RAM. The machine only has 32GB, and is understandably swapping like crazy. 
My colleague is creating swap files as quickly as it can use them up.

The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.

Here is an excerpt from top:

top - 15:54:17 up 57 days,  6:49,  3 users,  load average: 20.17, 21.29, 16.31
Tasks: 250 total,   2 running, 248 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  3.1%us,  2.5%sy,  0.0%ni, 15.2%id, 78.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.5%si,  0.0%st
Mem:  32961364k total, 32898588k used,    62776k free,    22440k buffers
Swap:  8096344k total,  8096344k used,        0k free,  6056472k cached

   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
27192 postgres  18   0 30.6g  22g 1984 R   31 71.7  32:20.09 postgres: flymine production-release-15.0 192.168.128.84(33736) INSERT
   650 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S    5  0.0  13:56.10 [kswapd2]
  5513 postgres  15   0  130m  19m  364 S    4  0.1   1067:04 postgres: stats collector process
   957 root      10  -5     0    0    0 D    1  0.0   1:39.13 [md2_raid1]
   649 root      10  -5     0    0    0 D    1  0.0  14:14.95 [kswapd1]
28599 root      15   0     0    0    0 D    1  0.0   0:01.25 [pdflush]
   648 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0  15:10.68 [kswapd0]
  2585 root      10  -5     0    0    0 D    0  0.0  67:15.89 [kjournald]

The query that is being run is an INSERT INTO table SELECT a fairly 
complex query.

Any ideas why this is going so badly, and what I can do to solve it?

Matthew

-- 
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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-03 16:14 ` Bill Moran <wmoran@collaborativefusion.com>
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From: Bill Moran @ 2008-12-03 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

In response to Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>:
> 
> Hi. I have a problem on one of our production servers. A fairly 
> complicated query is running, and the backend process is using 30 GB of 
> RAM. The machine only has 32GB, and is understandably swapping like crazy. 
> My colleague is creating swap files as quickly as it can use them up.
> 
> The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.

If your query it dealing with a lot of data, it could easily use 1G per
sort operation.  If there are a lot of sorts (more than 32) you'll end
up with this problem.

1G is probably too much memory to allocate for work_mem.

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Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/

wmoran@collaborativefusion.com
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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-03 16:25 ` tv@fuzzy.cz
  2008-12-03 16:34   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: tv@fuzzy.cz @ 2008-12-03 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

>
> Hi. I have a problem on one of our production servers. A fairly
> complicated query is running, and the backend process is using 30 GB of
> RAM. The machine only has 32GB, and is understandably swapping like crazy.
> My colleague is creating swap files as quickly as it can use them up.
>
> The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.

Are you aware that this is a per-session / per-sort settings? That means,
if you have 10 sessions, each of them running query with 2 sort steps in
the plan, it may occupy up to 20 GB of RAM (if both sorts use the whole
1GB of RAM).

regards
Tomas




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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:25 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should tv@fuzzy.cz
@ 2008-12-03 16:34   ` Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:48     ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Matthew Wakeling @ 2008-12-03 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tv@fuzzy.cz; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, tv@fuzzy.cz wrote:
>> Hi. I have a problem on one of our production servers. A fairly
>> complicated query is running, and the backend process is using 30 GB of
>> RAM. The machine only has 32GB, and is understandably swapping like crazy.
>> My colleague is creating swap files as quickly as it can use them up.
>>
>> The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.
>
> Are you aware that this is a per-session / per-sort settings? That means,
> if you have 10 sessions, each of them running query with 2 sort steps in
> the plan, it may occupy up to 20 GB of RAM (if both sorts use the whole
> 1GB of RAM).

Quite aware, thanks.

Having sent the process a SIGINT and inspected the logs, I now have a 
query to explain. Looking at it, there is one single sort, and ten hash 
operations, which would equate to 10GB, not 30GB. What is more worrying is 
that now that the query has been stopped, the backend process is still 
hanging onto the RAM.

Matthew

-- 
 Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. 
                                                 -- Ferenc Mantfeld



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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:25 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should tv@fuzzy.cz
  2008-12-03 16:34   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-03 16:48     ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  2008-12-03 16:59       ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Scott Marlowe @ 2008-12-03 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>; +Cc: tv@fuzzy.cz; pgsql-performance

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, tv@fuzzy.cz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. I have a problem on one of our production servers. A fairly
>>> complicated query is running, and the backend process is using 30 GB of
>>> RAM. The machine only has 32GB, and is understandably swapping like
>>> crazy.
>>> My colleague is creating swap files as quickly as it can use them up.
>>>
>>> The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.
>>
>> Are you aware that this is a per-session / per-sort settings? That means,
>> if you have 10 sessions, each of them running query with 2 sort steps in
>> the plan, it may occupy up to 20 GB of RAM (if both sorts use the whole
>> 1GB of RAM).
>
> Quite aware, thanks.
>
> Having sent the process a SIGINT and inspected the logs, I now have a query
> to explain. Looking at it, there is one single sort, and ten hash
> operations, which would equate to 10GB, not 30GB. What is more worrying is
> that now that the query has been stopped, the backend process is still
> hanging onto the RAM.

What's your setting for share_buffers, as that's likely what the
backend is holding onto.

Also, you should REALLY update to 8.3.5 as there are some nasty bugs
fixed from 8.3.0 you don't want to run into.  Who knows, you might be
being bitten by one right now.  Unlike other bits of software floating
around, pgsql updates are bug fix / security fix only, with no major
code changes allowed, since those go into the next release which is
usually ~1 year later anyway.



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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:25 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should tv@fuzzy.cz
  2008-12-03 16:34   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:48     ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
@ 2008-12-03 16:59       ` Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 19:14         ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Matthew Wakeling @ 2008-12-03 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>; +Cc: tv@fuzzy.cz; pgsql-performance

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Scott Marlowe wrote:
>> Having sent the process a SIGINT and inspected the logs, I now have a query
>> to explain. Looking at it, there is one single sort, and ten hash
>> operations, which would equate to 10GB, not 30GB. What is more worrying is
>> that now that the query has been stopped, the backend process is still
>> hanging onto the RAM.
>
> What's your setting for share_buffers, as that's likely what the
> backend is holding onto.

Shared buffers are set at 500MB, which is what all the other backends are 
holding onto. It's just the one backend that is using 30GB. At the moment, 
it is being swapped out, but the system seems responsive. We'll restart 
the whole lot some time in the middle of the night when noone minds.

> Also, you should REALLY update to 8.3.5 as there are some nasty bugs
> fixed from 8.3.0 you don't want to run into.  Who knows, you might be
> being bitten by one right now.  Unlike other bits of software floating
> around, pgsql updates are bug fix / security fix only, with no major
> code changes allowed, since those go into the next release which is
> usually ~1 year later anyway.

It's possible, although I didn't see any relevant memory leaks in the 
release notes. This is one of the only machines we have that has not been 
upgraded, and it is on our schedule. Because it is running a slightly old 
version of RedHat Fedora, upgrading involves more horribleness than our 
sysadmin is willing to do on the fly with the server up.

Matthew

-- 
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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:25 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should tv@fuzzy.cz
  2008-12-03 16:34   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 16:48     ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  2008-12-03 16:59       ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-03 19:14         ` Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Scott Marlowe @ 2008-12-03 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>; +Cc: tv@fuzzy.cz; pgsql-performance

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Scott Marlowe wrote:
>> Also, you should REALLY update to 8.3.5 as there are some nasty bugs
>> fixed from 8.3.0 you don't want to run into.  Who knows, you might be
>> being bitten by one right now.  Unlike other bits of software floating
>> around, pgsql updates are bug fix / security fix only, with no major
>> code changes allowed, since those go into the next release which is
>> usually ~1 year later anyway.
>
> It's possible, although I didn't see any relevant memory leaks in the
> release notes. This is one of the only machines we have that has not been
> upgraded, and it is on our schedule. Because it is running a slightly old
> version of RedHat Fedora, upgrading involves more horribleness than our
> sysadmin is willing to do on the fly with the server up.

That makes absolutely no sense.  If it's an in house built rpm, you
just create a new one with the same .spec file, if it was built from
source it's a simple ./configure --youroptionshere ;make;make install.
  You need a new sysadmin.



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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-03 17:53 ` hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>
  2008-12-04 11:35   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: hubert depesz lubaczewski @ 2008-12-03 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:01:48PM +0000, Matthew Wakeling wrote:
> The work_mem setting on this machine is 1000MB, running Postgres 8.3.0.

Check bug report from 2008-11-28, by Grzegorz Jaskiewicz:
query failed, not enough memory on 8.3.5

http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2008-11/msg00180.php

depesz

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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 17:53 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>
@ 2008-12-04 11:35   ` Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-04 13:06     ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Matthew Wakeling @ 2008-12-04 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, hubert depesz lubaczewski wrote:
> Check bug report from 2008-11-28, by Grzegorz Jaskiewicz:
> query failed, not enough memory on 8.3.5
>
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2008-11/msg00180.php

Thanks, that does explain everything. So workmem is not a hard limit on 
the amount of memory used per hash. Once the planner has committed to 
using a hash (and it can only use estimates to work out whether it will 
fit in workmem), then the execution will blindly go ahead and try and fit 
absolutely everything in a hash in memory even if it doesn't fit in 
workmem.

I agree it would be nice to fix this, but I'm not sure how at the moment.

Matthew

-- 
 To most people, solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists,
 solutions are things that are still all mixed up.



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* Re: Postgres using more memory than it should
  2008-12-03 16:01 Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  2008-12-03 17:53 ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>
  2008-12-04 11:35   ` Re: Postgres using more memory than it should Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
@ 2008-12-04 13:06     ` Matthew Wakeling <matthew@flymine.org>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Matthew Wakeling @ 2008-12-04 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Matthew Wakeling wrote:
>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2008-11/msg00180.php
>
> Thanks, that does explain everything.

Oh right, yes. It explains everything *except* the fact that the backend 
is still holding onto all the RAM after the query is finished. Could the 
fact that we SIGINTed it in the middle of the query explain that at all?

Matthew

-- 
 I'd try being be a pessimist, but it probably wouldn't work anyway.



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