From: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
Organization: Dynacom Tankers Mgmt
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Talking about optimizer, my long dream
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:19:46 +0200
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Greg, 1st off, thanx for your great book, and i really hope i find the time=
 to read it
thoroughly. (since i am still stuck somewhere in the middle of "Administrat=
ion Cookbook" lol!)
Well, people, speaking from the point of the occasional poster and frequent=
 lurker
i can see that smth is going a little bit out of hand in the lists.
I remember my own thread 1-2 weeks ago about NOT IN working much better
in 8.3 than 9.0, how much i was trying to convince people that it was not
=46reeBSD related, nor other setting related, trying to convince mladen
that i was not cheating with the explain analyze i posted, trying to answer=
 politely to Tom
who was asking me to post smth that i had already posted 4-5 times till the=
n,
and i can feel the agony of certain members here.=20
Before i moved the thread from -admin over to -performance i had certain is=
sues at my home's FreeBSD mail server.
Thank God, some reply i wrote one late night on -admin didn't make it to th=
e list.
Anyways, that's open source. Great products, access to source and knowledge=
 at a negligible cost come with a price.
So here is my advice to people in similar situations (me mainly!) : take a =
deep breath, dont hit the send button unless you are=20
100% certain you have smth new/positive to say, take some time to do more h=
omework from your part, even try
to read/hack the source, etc...
If this is not possible, then its better to seek for alternatives rather th=
an turning angry.

just my 3 euros!

=CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Friday 04 February 2011 16:27:55 =CE=BF/=CE=B7 Gre=
g Smith =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
> > I am even inclined to believe that deep down under the hood, this=20
> > fatwa has an ulterior motive, which disgusts me deeply. With hints,=20
> > there would be far fewer consulting gigs.
>=20
> Now you're just being rude.  Given that you have direct access to the=20
> developers of the software, for free, on these mailing lists, the main=20
> reason there is consulting work anyway is because some companies can't=20
> publish their queries or data publicly.  All of us doing PostgreSQL=20
> consulting regularly take those confidental reports and turn them into=20
> feedback to improve the core software.  That is what our clients want,=20
> too:  a better PostgreSQL capable of handling their problem, not just a=20
> hacked up application that works today, but will break later once data=20
> volume or distribution changes.
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> You really just don't get how open-source development works at all if=20
> you think money is involved in why people have their respective=20
> technical opinions on controversial subjects.  Try and hire the=20
> sometimes leader of this particular "fatwa", Tom Lane, for a consulting=20
> gig if you think that's where his motivation lies.  I would love to have=
=20
> a recording of *that* phone call.
>=20
> --=20
> Greg Smith   2ndQuadrant US    greg@2ndQuadrant.com   Baltimore, MD
> PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support  www.2ndQuadrant.us
> "PostgreSQL 9.0 High Performance": http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/books
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Achilleas Mantzios