Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKrmw-0004yA-Qa for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKrmw-0000s8-5J for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:06:22 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKrmv-0000s2-CI for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:06:21 +0000 Received: from smtprelay0145.b.hostedemail.com ([64.98.42.145] helo=smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YKrmq-0007nM-CQ for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:06:20 +0000 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.248.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.248]) by smtprelay04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3537B85B; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:06:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 616C76686572726540616C76682E6E6F2D69702E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org, :::::, RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:800:960:965:966:967:973:988:989:1260:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1541:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2196:2198:2199:2200:2393:2525:2553:2560:2563:2682:2685:2828:2859:2901:2918:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4321:4385:4390:4395:4605:4659:5007:6261:7903:8957:9025:9121:10004:10400:10848:10967:11232:11256:11257:11658:11914:12296:12438:12517:12519:12555:12679:12700:12737:12740:13069:13311:13357:13894:13895:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-HE-Tag: hand21_5359645240061 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2931 Received: from alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (unknown [186.37.76.79]) (Authenticated sender: alvherre@alvh.no-ip.org) by omf12.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by alvin.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 44971939; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:06:32 -0300 (CLST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:06:32 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Matheus de Oliveira Cc: bkrug , pgsql-performance Subject: Re: Avoiding Refreezing XIDs Repeatedly Message-ID: <20150209170632.GD3391@alvh.no-ip.org> References: <1423497516487-5837222.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-performance Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org Matheus de Oliveira wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:58 PM, bkrug wrote: > > > Couldn't postgres reserve a special XID that is never available for normal > > transactions but that indicates that any transaction can see it because it > > is so old? Then instead of constantly having to freeze old XIDs each time > > the XID is going to wrap, vacuum can just set it to the special XID and > > never touch it again unless something really changes. > > > > > It changed in recent versions (9.3 or 9.4, I don't recall exactly which) > and moved to tuple header, but what you described is exactly what was done, > the xid was 2. Actually, it's been done this way for ages -- it was introduced in 2001 (release 7.2) by these commits: Author: Tom Lane Branch: master Release: REL7_2 [2589735da] 2001-08-25 18:52:43 +0000 Replace implementation of pg_log as a relation accessed through the buffer manager with 'pg_clog', a specialized access method modeled on pg_xlog. This simplifies startup (don't need to play games to open pg_log; among other things, OverrideTransactionSystem goes away), should improve performance a little, and opens the door to recycling commit log space by removing no-longer-needed segments of the commit log. Actual recycling is not there yet, but I felt I should commit this part separately since it'd still be useful if we chose not to do transaction ID wraparound. Author: Tom Lane Branch: master Release: REL7_2 [bc7d37a52] 2001-08-26 16:56:03 +0000 Transaction IDs wrap around, per my proposal of 13-Aug-01. More documentation to come, but the code is all here. initdb forced. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance