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* solutions for new Postgresql application testing @ 2005-11-01 14:14 Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Geoffrey @ 2005-11-01 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-performance We are going live with a application in a few months that is a complete rewrite of an existing application. We are moving from an existing proprietary database to Postgresql. We are looking for some insight/suggestions as to how folks test Postgresql in such a situation. We really want to run it throught the wringer before going live. I'm throwing together a test suite that consists of mostly perl scripts. I'm wondering what other, if any approaches folks have taken in a similar situation. I know there's nothing like a real live test with real users, and that will happen, but we want to do some semi-automated load testing prior. Anyone ever use any profiling apps (gprof) with any success? We've got a failover cluster design and would like any insights here as well. We're also trying to decide whether a single database with multiple schemas or multiple databases are the best solution. We've done some research on this through the archives, and the answer seems to depend on the database/application design. Still, we welcome any generic ideas on this issue as well. I've not provided any specifics on hardware or application as we really want high level stuff at this time. Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. -- Until later, Geoffrey ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: solutions for new Postgresql application testing @ 2005-11-01 19:39 Merlin Moncure <merlin.moncure@rcsonline.com> 2005-11-01 23:12 ` Re: solutions for new Postgresql application testing Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Merlin Moncure @ 2005-11-01 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance Geoffrey wrote: > We are going live with a application in a few months that is a complete > rewrite of an existing application. We are moving from an existing > proprietary database to Postgresql. We are looking for some > insight/suggestions as to how folks test Postgresql in such a situation. Shouldn't you run your tests *before* rewriting your application? :). You don't have to answer that. > We're also trying to decide whether a single database with multiple > schemas or multiple databases are the best solution. We've done some > research on this through the archives, and the answer seems to depend on > the database/application design. Still, we welcome any generic ideas on > this issue as well. I can help a little bit here. Yes, this decision will be heavily influenced by application design. Let's assume you have to keep multiple identical table sets (suppose you have multiple companies on the same server for example). Here are some general stipulations: Reasons to use schemas: * If you have a requirement where data must be queried from multiple data stores at the same time, or between various data stores and a shared area, this argues for schemas. While it is possible to do this without schemas via dblink, which is the postgresql inter-database rpc, performance can be an issue and there is some overhead of setting it up. * If you need to swap out data stores on the fly without reconnecting, then this argues strongly in favor of schemas. With schemas, you can manipulate which datastore you are using by simply manipulating the search_path. There is one big caveat to this: your non dynamic pl/pgsql functions will stick to the tables they use following the first time you run them like suction cups. Worse, your sql functions will stick to the tables they refer to when compiled, making non-immutable sql functions a no-no in a multi-schema environment. However, there is a clever workaround to this by force recompiling you pl/pgsql functions (search the recent archives on this list). * Finally, since multiple schemas can share a common public area, this means that if you have to deploy database features that apply to all of your datastores, you can sometimes get away with sticking them in a public area of the databse...server side utility functions are an example of this. Reasons to use databases: * Certain third party tools may have trouble with schemas. * Manipulating the search path can be error prone and relatively tedious. * Database are more fully separate. I run multi schema, and I make heavy use of the userlock contrib module. This means I have to take special care not to have inter-schema overlap of my lock identifier. There are other cases where this might bite you, for example if you wanted one data store to respond to notifications but not another. These are solvable problems, but can be a headache. In short, there are pros and cons either way. If it's any help, the servers I administrate, which have *really complex* data interdependency and isolation requirements, use schemas for the extra flexibility. Merlin ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: solutions for new Postgresql application testing 2005-11-01 19:39 Re: solutions for new Postgresql application testing Merlin Moncure <merlin.moncure@rcsonline.com> @ 2005-11-01 23:12 ` Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Geoffrey @ 2005-11-01 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-performance Merlin Moncure wrote: > Geoffrey wrote: > >>We are going live with a application in a few months that is a complete >>rewrite of an existing application. We are moving from an existing >>proprietary database to Postgresql. We are looking for some >>insight/suggestions as to how folks test Postgresql in such a situation. > > Shouldn't you run your tests *before* rewriting your application? :). > You don't have to answer that. The logic has been proven. What we want to really test is loading and the remote possibility that the compiler built code based on what we wrote, rather then what we thought. :) >>We're also trying to decide whether a single database with multiple >>schemas or multiple databases are the best solution. We've done some >>research on this through the archives, and the answer seems to depend on >>the database/application design. Still, we welcome any generic ideas >>on this issue as well. > > I can help a little bit here. Yes, this decision will be heavily > influenced by application design. Let's assume you have to keep > multiple identical table sets (suppose you have multiple companies on > the same server for example). Here are some general stipulations: <great feedback snipped> Thanks muchly for your insights. Just the kind of info we're looking for. Now if I could only find that mind reading compiler. We lean towards multiple databases when thinking about the possible need to bring down a single database without affecting the others. We do require access to multiple datastores, but that is relatively easily done with either schemas or databases with perl and C, which are our tools of choice. These databases are pretty much identical in design, simply for different 'parts' of the business. Any further thoughts are, of course, still welcome. -- Until later, Geoffrey ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 3+ messages in thread
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