Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731B62E004C for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:44:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63995-02 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:57 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A81D2E0040 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [80.229.150.39] (helo=mansionfamily.plus.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Jfe9s-0004W9-0D for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:43:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.89] ([192.168.0.89]:1240) by mansionfamily.plus.com with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:48:49 -0000 Message-ID: <47EE72B9.1000507@mansionfamily.plus.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:47:53 +0000 From: James Mansion Organization: MsgWare User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PFC CC: Greg Smith , Laszlo Nagy , pgsql-performance@postgresql.org, Tony Nagy Subject: Re: Planning a new server - help needed References: <47ECB4F6.1040901@shopzeus.com> <47EE1B1F.20506@mansionfamily.plus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Plusnet-Relay: 2f2eb9b2f2d3d92e88e287970d49ff0d X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200803/521 X-Sequence-Number: 29475 PFC wrote: > >> Why do you claim that 'More platters also means slower seeks >> and generally slower performance.'? > > More platters -> more heads -> heavier head assembly -> slower > seek time Note sure I've sen a lot of evidence of that in drive specifications! > Gigabyte should revamp their i-RAM to use ECC RAM of a larger > capacity... and longer lasting battery backup... You would think a decent capacitor or rechargable button battery would be enough to dump it to a flash memory. No problem with flash wear then. > I wonder, how many write cycles those Flash drives can take before > reliability becomes a problem... Hard to get data isn't it? I believe its hundreds of thousands to millions now. Now each record in most OLTP tables is rewritten a few times unless its stuff that can go into temp tables etc, which should be elsewhere. Index pages clearly get rewritten often. I suspect a mix of storage technologies will be handy for some time yet - WAL on disk, and temp tables on disk with no synchronous fsync requirement. I think life is about to get interesting in DBMS storage. All good for us users. James