Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by developer.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5692E003B for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:35:40 -0300 (ADT) Received: from developer.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20882-08 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:35:34 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from service-web.de (p15093784.pureserver.info [217.160.106.224]) by developer.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C592E0037 for ; Thu, 1 May 2008 04:35:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p548B1A86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.139.26.134]) by service-web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C877E8127; Thu, 1 May 2008 09:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <481972C3.7080504@wildenhain.de> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:35:31 +0200 From: Tino Wildenhain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Smith Cc: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" , "Marc G. Fournier" , pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Please ignore ... References: <034F5EEE75E6C9243EFCCEEA@ganymede.hub.org> <20080501012331.2d2698d1.darcy@druid.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070605060404070308070204" X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200805/6 X-Sequence-Number: 29974 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070605060404070308070204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all the ignorers, ;) Greg Smith wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2008, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > >> Whenever I see one of those I simply blackhole the server sending them. > > Ah, the ever popular vigilante spam method. What if the message is > coming from, say, gmail.com, and it's getting routed so that you're not > sure which account is originating it? Do you blackhole everybody on > *that* server just because there's one idiot? > > This is the same problem on a smaller scale. It's not clear which > account is reponsible, and I believe I saw that there are other people > using the same ISP who also subscribe to the list. That's why Marc is > testing who the guilty party is rather than unsubscribing everyone there. yes, blackholing is bad as well as accepting everything and then sending out errors. Unfortunaly, email resembles the ideas of the decade when it was invented (freedom of speach over regulating) so security is only available as ad on. I wish however everybody would go by cryptography, meaning in our case the sender signs and the list checks (1) and also the list signs (2) when sending out, which makes it easy to check for the receiver if to accept the mail or decline in band... 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