Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835D16355C8 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:49:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89632-05 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:49:01 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.31]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED5C363307D for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:49:00 -0300 (ADT) Received: (qmail 6006 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 16:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (72.136.44.124) by smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.31) with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2009 16:48:59 -0000 Message-ID: <49D39AFA.8000700@ummon.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:48:58 -0400 From: Stef Telford User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090319) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Marlowe CC: Greg Smith , Mark Kirkwood , Scott Carey , "pgsql-performance@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: Raid 10 chunksize References: <49D31E85.8050405@paradise.net.nz> <49D37CAA.6080100@ummon.com> <49D3932D.3080808@ummon.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=none X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200904/13 X-Sequence-Number: 33380 Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stef Telford wrote: > >> I do agree that the benefit is probably from write-caching, but I >> think that this is a 'win' as long as you have a UPS or BBU adaptor, >> and really, in a prod environment, not having a UPS is .. well. Crazy ? >> > > You do know that UPSes can fail, right? En masse sometimes even. > Hello Scott, Well, the only time the UPS has failed in my memory, was during the great Eastern Seaboard power outage of 2003. Lots of fond memories running around Toronto with a gas can looking for oil for generator power. This said though, anything could happen, the co-lo could be taken out by a meteor and then sync on or off makes no difference. Good UPS, a warm PITR standby, offsite backups and regular checks is "good enough" for me, and really, that's what it all comes down to. Mitigating risk and factors into an 'acceptable' amount for each person. However, if you see over a 2x improvement from turning write-cache 'on' and have everything else in place, well, that seems like a 'no-brainer' to me, at least ;) Regards Stef